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Gremlin500 wrote:

Sadly, it will take a death before JLR do anything about it, shame on them.

Am I right it seems to be only 2015/2016 cars affected by this? Or does it extend further either way?

Without a bit of transparency from the manufacturer, I guess we might never know, due to the cover up culture in this country from politicians and big business alike.

The minister responsible for DVSA is Richard Holden, MP for NW Durham. With Canada (and maybe also the USA) doing a recall on this LR are clear about the need for it, but are doing nothing in the UK either because they don't have the parts or they just want to avoid spending the money. There seems a case for lobbying Richard Holden to get DVSA to force the pace on this. I think one cannot email direct, it has to be through constituency MPs, but they will pass the matter on pretty promptly. It would probably have most impact if done by someone actually affected, but anyone concerned about this important safety issue could do so. Only Range Rovers since 1988

Kot
You need to have another think about mpi being no good for alumium alloys 😎

My vin is 2186** SDV8 2015

CS wrote:

The minister responsible for DVSA is Richard Holden, MP for NW Durham. With Canada (and maybe also the USA) doing a recall on this LR are clear about the need for it, but are doing nothing in the UK either because they don't have the parts or they just want to avoid spending the money. There seems a case for lobbying Richard Holden to get DVSA to force the pace on this. I think one cannot email direct, it has to be through constituency MPs, but they will pass the matter on pretty promptly. It would probably have most impact if done by someone actually affected, but anyone concerned about this important safety issue could do so.

Evoque/DS steering rack recalls started in Canada, then eventually made its way to the UK. And our customers who we replaced racks for before the recall was active have been receiving refunds from JLR

Keep the pressure on JLR, with enough pressure, they might just recall it in the UK too

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I am not sure we can say there is cover up or lack of transparency on this. Land Rover have recognised the problem and published that the affected VIN range is 195780 - 228236.

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Kev - where is this published please?

cheers 405 AB exec seats Baltic and Cirrus
93 RR Classic efi

Remember it's easier to get forgiveness than permission!

Gone in order:
4.4 TDV8 SE - gone to a good home
93 Classic hard dash Plymouth Blue
03 L322 Oslo Blue
2000 Disco TD5 ES Epsom Green
98 P38 Rioja Red
89 Classic Cairngorm Brown

@knwatkins:

Fair comment, I didn’t specifically mention JLR, just the culture in this country to bury heads in sand and ignore issues until they are pressing. Knowing there is a problem, and doing nothing about it is negligent, espicially when lives can be lost, think about Grenfell. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” -where’s the fun in that?

ajac8 wrote:

Kev - where is this published please?
cheers

It's in bulletin N036. I only have a copy in Russian, but someone on here with access to Topix may kindly download it for us?

Here's a link to the N306 bulletin in Russian.

It is mentioned in this Russian video at 1:36 ....

 Kev

2014 L405 RR Vogue SE 4.4 SDV8 in Corris Grey
2010 L320 RRS HSE 3.0 TDV6 in Stornoway Grey

dingg1 wrote:

Kot
You need to have another think about mpi being no good for alumium alloys 😎

Quote from link regarding misconceptions about mpi

It is amazing how many people think this type of testing will work on any kind of metal. In truth though, it is generally only appropriate for metals that can be magnetised. That includes ones like iron and nickel, as well as a number of alloys that contain them such as types of steel.



https://www.formatndt.co.uk/a-look-at-some...-about-mpi

also https://www.bindt.org/What-is-NDT/Magnetic...ction-MPI/
 2018 SE SDV8 4.4 Byron Blue

Here's another quote for you

https://medium.com/@globalweldingau/miscon...b92fe51895


"When you’re looking to use Magnetic Particle Testing try to understand the composition of the parts. Not every metals can undergo the process of MPI. This is because, only iron, nickel and cobalt can be magnetized. An alloy metal can also undergo this process, one such example is aluminum. It is also one of the most common metals that is tested with MPI."

Me retired from oil and gas industry

Previously commercial diver

Cwsip 3.1u
Cswip 3.2u amongst others 😎

Ummmm, sorry to be a little pedantic but aren’t we drifting just slightly OT here, gents?
Rather than discussing the limitations of MPI, shouldn’t we be discussing the extent of the current situation with respect to knuckle failures Worldwide, and the lack of UK response to our valid concerns from either JLR or UK government?
I don’t think we need MPI or other tests to prove anything, there are documented failures which clearly prove parts have failed, potentially putting lives at risk. It is up to the vehicle manufacturer to prove that all affected vehicles have been abused or malmaintained in some way, and in fact, given that most of the affected vehicles will likely have a FLRSH, it again possibly would reflect back at lack of JLR service training in any case, were that to be the situation.
This is potentially an eventual lose-lose situation for JLR, and I wonder what if any design changes have been made to the same part in the new L460, -anyone with a new vehicle got any pics? A change would tend to point at an admission of some sort, and conversely by implication, a lack of change would not show the L460 in good light as a potential purchase, if that is so.

An informative statement from JLR in the interests of transparency would be most welcomed by current owners and potential purchasers alike, I’m sure. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” -where’s the fun in that?

The original part numbers have been superseded 4 times so I suspect that LR has been aware of shortcomings in at least earlier versions.

Of course you're correct Gremlin 👍🤓
Although it appears that jlr are waiting for a catastrophic major event before taking action in the UK. I'm astounded by the inaction tbh😞