Mine in today, all checked over and given a clean bill of health. No remedials required aparently. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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2010 LR D4 Commercial 2.7 TDV6

My MY14 (Nov 13) is still showing as no recall - I don't know whether I'm reassured or concerned

my sons is the same as your MY Alistair and he to is waiting... ... - .- -.




Y. O. L. O.
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Thanks Stan.

I'd have expected them to start with the oldest, but maybe not. Or maybe the old ones are OK.

I'm only in the UK another week - so if mine happens to be subject to the recall, I wonder whether I can get it done abroad.....

Apparently mine is all fixed with 2 new knuckles and one replacement offside strut which was mashed when the knuckle failed. JLR refused to replace the near side strut to match the offside one as it wasn’t damaged. I will now have to put up with a car with a car with one 8 year old damper and one new one unless I shell out for a new one myself

portrobc wrote:

So I went to the MD this morning (with a little trepidation I might add)
The car was taken in, some 1.45 hours later back it came. The knuckles had been checked with what looked like Engineers blue and the numbers (presumably the batch codes??) checked and all given a clean bill of health.

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Additionally confirmed in writing.

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So, happy days...........gave it an enthusiastic workout on the way back. as you do.
Rob

Alistair wrote:

My MY14 (Nov 13) is still showing as no recall - I don't know whether I'm reassured or concerned

Evening All

Seems there is some definition now on model year and Vin range and interesting reading as they have prepared a script for when the floods of irate customers come knocking on their door!: -

Question [2 of 18]

Can you tell me more about what is wrong with the vehicles?

Answer
A crack in the front suspension knuckle may propagate in the presence of extended exposure to road salt, this may lead to a detachment of the upper suspension arm, which under an extreme avoidance maneuver use conditions may compromise the vehicle’s controllability and increase the risk of a crash.
There are two production periods concerned. Period 1 where all of the installed front suspension knuckles may be at risk manufactured from 1 October 2014 to 31 March 2015. Period 2 includes vehicles which may have had front suspension knuckles as a mixed condition of parts exists manufactured from 1 November 2015 to 16 March 2016.

Don't think I can add the Pdf here, but I've put a copy in my gallery which I think is accessible?

Oddly my vehicle falls in the vin range but as a LWB, I seem to have been excluded  L405 SV Autobiography LWB SDV8, finished in Aston Martin China Grey by ETO division.

Something is not quite right here.

This whole story starts with total deniability, quickly followed up now by “damage limitation” now the word is out: sounds like it’s all about the money, and not a jot of care for Public Safety, be that FFRR drivers, passengers or pedestrians, including politicians, VIP’s and nobility.
Am I wrong, or haven’t 2013, 2017, and even 2018 cars been affected?
Why speak of “sudden avoidance maneuvers” when we hear slow-speed turns off driveways are often involved?
How can we have any confidence in our vehicles until JLR become transparent in releasing the information about exactly why the failures occurred, and what changes were made to improve the hub material, manufacturing process, or inspection?

Are owners who have had Dealer inspections but no replacements, satisfied? Or still worried, given that Dealer staff are not metallurgists? Therefore, are such inspections not simply cursory, to allay fear and suspicion, and reduce costs?
The fact that JLR cannot definitively say “xxx101 to xxx899 are defective” may mean they themselves don’t really have a clue, pointing to historically poor QC levels of outsourced parts from who knows where (but we suspect where).

I can see this ending in a public class action against JLR, and it’s a case of when, not if.
It’s probably a case of when not if someone is killed by failure of these defective parts.

The profile of this really needs to be raised, but how? “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” -where’s the fun in that?

Absolutely, the situation is ridiculous. Cleaning off the joint and putting engineers blue or similar on it wont show cracks that are present and clearly in no way guarantees cracks wont develop. If the components are within the suspect range they should be changed before someone loses their life with one of these failures. BMW i3 Electric Car
2012 Full Fat RR 4.4 TDV8 (now gone)
2006 VW Touareg 3.0 TDi V6

Mine was checked last week,but still concerned if I’m honest 2016 4.4 diesel

Fortunately having an older car I’m not involved in this debacle but out of interest have followed the threads with interest. Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind that the seemingly ever growing problem is down to the fact that the knuckle joint design is fundamentally flawed. IMO to design a joint with two dissimilar metals then aggravate the issue by using a pinch bolt to initially stress one of the components during the assembly is plainly wrong. There is then the fact that the dubious joint is subject to various liquids when in use which will undoubtedly cause corrosion within the joint producing solid salts material which will further stress the joint. I doubt jlrs comment notion the road salt has any bearing on the issue but if they suspect it has why didn’t they design out the problem.
Sorry to pour cold water on your expectations as to jlrs handling of the matter but l get the distinct impression that their only motivation is to minimise expenditure.
As for md technicians checking these joints for condition, give me strength. I would seriously question the qualifications these individuals have to make such a judgement.
For what it’s worth l think many thousands of these joints will fail overtime with what outcome l hate to think but in the meantime l shall give any upto date FFRR driving towards me a wide berth.

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AJGalaxy2012 wrote:

Absolutely, the situation is ridiculous. Cleaning off the joint and putting engineers blue or similar on it wont show cracks that are present and clearly in no way guarantees cracks wont develop. If the components are within the suspect range they should be changed before someone loses their life with one of these failures.

@nicedayforit:

I concur, I have no great expectations of JLR Dealers: last service they overfilled my oil and had to remove a litre next day!

This knuckle thing will just rumble on & on through the years to come, just watch this thread grow into a monster……. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” -where’s the fun in that?

4RRS wrote:

Evening All

Seems there is some definition now on model year and Vin range and interesting reading as they have prepared a script for when the floods of irate customers come knocking on their door!: -

Question [2 of 18]

Can you tell me more about what is wrong with the vehicles?

Answer
A crack in the front suspension knuckle may propagate in the presence of extended exposure to road salt, this may lead to a detachment of the upper suspension arm, which under an extreme avoidance maneuver use conditions may compromise the vehicle’s controllability and increase the risk of a crash.
There are two production periods concerned. Period 1 where all of the installed front suspension knuckles may be at risk manufactured from 1 October 2014 to 31 March 2015. Period 2 includes vehicles which may have had front suspension knuckles as a mixed condition of parts exists manufactured from 1 November 2015 to 16 March 2016.

Don't think I can add the Pdf here, but I've put a copy in my gallery which I think is accessible?

Oddly my vehicle falls in the vin range but as a LWB, I seem to have been excluded