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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Also one strange thing I noticed is that since I filled up the engine with fresh 9l of engine oil, when I go to the service menu in dashboard to check the oil level, I get 'not available' message. Before the oil change, it said, 'undefiled'. Does the engine need to run for the engine oil level sensor to be able to pick up the oil level info, or could it be something else?
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3rd May 2022 11:00am |
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dhallworth Member Since: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3097 |
Jesus... that oil filter is a right mess. What was the oil like that came out? A filter will always be black when it's removed but you should always be able to see the creases in the element like the new one. That one looks like it's loaded with sludge.
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3rd May 2022 1:14pm |
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johnboyairey Member Since: 11 Jan 2013 Location: surrey Posts: 2032 |
OMG! the filter, is like a block of tar! something long term bad has been happening with your engine, which might have now come to a crescendo! i can only guess that the oil, wether its wrong oil, (cheap mineral oil?) or oil way past its sell by date, or some foreign additive has messed up the lubrication on the engine. im pretty sure you have a semi seized engine from what we already know from description earlier, and the state of the filter pictured. i was hoping it was external components dragging down the power of the starter motor. but i would be seriously thinking about dropping off the lower sump and getting a good look in the sum pan, and possibly undoing a con rod bearing cap and checking the state of the bearing material. if you have failed bearings, then the crankshaft can be replaced, or reground and oversized bearings.... but its an engine out, and strip down job.chances are that the rover covers, when removed will also show a ton of black death tar, which will need to be throughly cleaned. it would seen that your oil system has been compromised, and lack of oil coming in, from sump has run the bearings, making engine very tight. -not the 'end of days'... but a final protest before shutting itself off! WOW, thats hideous! never seen something that bad on modern engine. |
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3rd May 2022 1:18pm |
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dhallworth Member Since: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3097 |
For reference, this is what our 4.4 TDV8 sounds like when spinning over on the starter motor.
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3rd May 2022 1:19pm |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3236 |
Also noticed on you dash that the fuel gauge is showing empty which may be a reason it's not starting...... 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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3rd May 2022 1:19pm |
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johnboyairey Member Since: 11 Jan 2013 Location: surrey Posts: 2032 |
.... bear in mind that these engines, are like £8500 new, without ancillaries, or turbos.... don't rush to nearest back street engine 'rebuilders' get a proper quote, and a ceiling price before opening the wallet, as there are a lot of dodgy people around 'rebuilding' engines... this youtube is good info. -note completely different engine, but the repair process is what you need to know etc. &t=399s |
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3rd May 2022 1:25pm |
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coopss Member Since: 21 Apr 2018 Location: Hampshire Posts: 281 |
This was mine which shortly after turned out to be a failed head gasket. If you get a replacement make sure it’s from Land Rover or someone very reputable.
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3rd May 2022 8:34pm |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Alright guys, so acknowledging all the above post about the near certainty that there is something mechanically wrong with the engine itself given the terrible state of the engine oil, this morning I installed the new starter . put in the new 400A MEGA fuse and removed the serpentine belt (checked all the pulleys and ac / ps pumps - all felt smooth so this certainly wasn't the problem). Tried starting the engine twice (didn't want to go blowing the fuse again) and I have to say that this time it didn't feel slow when spinning. I'm not sure however whether that's just me, or the new starter has more grunt or the old starter was faulty and caused the fuse blowing. As I said, I only tried starting it twice as I didn't;'t want to post it and blow the fuse in case it wasn't the starter's fault. Here is the video of start both attempts: |
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6th May 2022 12:09pm |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Here is the start attempt no 1. Started of a bit slow but than it picked up in speed
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6th May 2022 12:16pm |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Here is the second attempt:
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6th May 2022 12:18pm |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
How come a head gasket issue was causing this? It looks like very similar symptoms to what I'd been having (blowed MEGA fuse possibly due to a faulty starter or more likely a tight/faulty engine) |
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6th May 2022 12:21pm |
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GraemeS Member Since: 06 Mar 2015 Location: Wagga area Posts: 2486 |
It sounds to be turning over quickly enough to start. With it turning over as it now does, I suggest that if it doesn't fire within about 2 seconds then don't persist. |
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6th May 2022 12:26pm |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Thanks John, yes, I'm well aware of all these scam engine rebuilders. Already done a lot of research into this topic.. If it does indeed turn out that the engine needs a rebuild, I I'm most likely going to take it out myself and have the block and heads properly rebuild by a local reputable engine shop. Depending on what the problem is and how much money I will have to throw at it, I will than have to make a decision whether to fix this engine/ sell it for parts and just buy a different second hand engine or just sell the whole car for parts and than buy a new second hand l322 that actually works.. |
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6th May 2022 12:26pm |
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dhallworth Member Since: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3097 |
That sounds like it’s down on compression to me.
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6th May 2022 12:34pm |
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