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Baltic Blue

Member Since: 13 Aug 2015
Location: North Wales
Posts: 3765

2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Baltic Blue

David,
I am in awe of the amount of work you have done,…amazing.
I bet you didn’t work that hard at BT . What did you do ? M.T.?
Finally, sorry but I am not a fan of powder coating. It looks good at first, but one stone chip and it corrodes from behind it..
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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14th Mar 2022 8:03am

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Baltic Blue

Think you've got me mistaken, Mike I've never worked for BT.

I've been trying to figure out what to do with the subframe. I'm going to have it media blasted but am unsure on how to finish it. Powder coating is appealing as it'll come back finished an ready to be built back up but like you say is easily chipped.

I've toyed with the idea of galvanising it but don't want it to distort or have the hollow sections fill with zinc.

I then wondered about Galvafroid paint as suggested but that takes my time when it comes back as would painting it with something like POR-15.

Really unsure what to do... 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

14th Mar 2022 11:09am

Baltic Blue

Member Since: 13 Aug 2015
Location: North Wales
Posts: 3765

I think dementia must be to blame , apologies, it is Diesel Dave who was a BT mechanic.
Excellent job you are doing though, I envy your calipers.
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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14th Mar 2022 11:32am

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

Thanks Mike, the calipers were actually pretty easy to do I rubbed then down with these on the end of a Snap On Polish & Prep tool.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FY9...&psc=1

I then used this Thunder Grey spray paint.

https://techniqpro.com/product/techniq-thu...mperature/

And bought these transfers from eBay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304373456898

However, yours being the 6 pot brakes would have "Range Rover" written on the calipers other then Brembo like the 4 pots.

I think I've decided I'm going to have this shot blasted and galvanised this week.

It's a solid chunk of metal so am hoping it won't distort or I'll be looking for another subframe

At least galvanising it will do the insides and the outside.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

14th Mar 2022 3:38pm

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

Was thinking about the subframe bushes today as they’re huge and are an incredibly tight fit into the subframe. After a big of Googling it turns out they’re the same bushes as in the rear subframe on the BMW X5.

Googling X5 subframe tools brings up this video:

Looking up X5 Subframe Bush Tools on eBay turned up this kit:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bush-Remover-Re...635-2958-0

I was going to make something to do it but for the sake of £60 it’s hardly worth the hassle so I’ve ordered that kit.

Besides… shiny new tools are always fun!

What’s interesting is when Googling L322 Subframe Bushes there’s not much on the internet.

If anyone wants this kit when I’m done for around half of what it cost, drop me a PM 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

14th Mar 2022 9:03pm

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

Changed my mind again… Several reasons for doing so…

1. There’s a chance that the subframe could distort when being dipped as the temperatures reach 450C when galvanising.

2. The drain holes already in the subframe might not be sufficient and I don’t want more holes drilling in it.

3. The bushes would need to be removed before galvanising and it could change the internal diameter of the holes where the bushes are which would mean tidying them up and that takes time.

So… today I bundled all of the bits into the back of the P38 and took them for media blasting.

They’ll be returned to me on Thursday and at that point they’ll be coated with Bilt Hamber Epoxy Mastic which I’ve been told is a great, hard wearing, durable finish.

I’ve left the old bushes in as it means the holes won’t be affected by the blasting so the bushes should remain a nice tight fit into the subframe.

Today I confirmed my suspicions though… you cannot live with only one Range Rover… You need a 2nd to ferry parts of the first around when it’s broken/in bits… 😂 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

15th Mar 2022 8:12pm

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

Been a busy evening tonight…

Managed to get the bits back from shot blasting earlier

When I got back from there, DPD had delivered my order from Bilt Hamber.

I then unloaded the boot of the car into the workshop. Really quite pleased with how these things came out!

Tonight’s been spent in the workshop.

I stripped one of the rear hubs, removing the 2 bushes and then the bearing.

After I’d done the bits I enjoyed doing I settled into doing the bit I hate doing… Painting…

The chosen paint for the subframe and the 4 wishbones was Bilt Hamber Epoxy Mastic. I mixed the first tin using a bit of twisted welding rod in the drill and then added the hardener to the tin whilst continuing to mix with the drill.

I’ve done the 4 rear wishbones too but forgot to get pictures of them.

I left the old bushes in so the new ones didn’t get covered in paint and the paint didn’t affect the diameter of the holes they‘re pressed in to.

We’re away this weekend but I’m off work next week so will remove and replace all the bushes and touch up the paint with the extra tin of epoxy I’ve got afterwards. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

17th Mar 2022 11:19pm

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

Managed to get a few more jobs done today.

The tool I bought for removing the subframe bushes is useless, in fact it’s worse then useless. It didn’t even remove one of them before the threads gave up.

Most pullers, presses, etc. usually have an ACME or square thread on them but this was a conventional pitched thread that didn’t do any more then get the first bush to move. This damage happened with a 24mm ring spanner on it too!

Anyway, all wasn’t lost as we used the mandrel and socket that came with the kit along with some improvisation in the press to remove it. Balancing the subframe in the press was nigh on impossisble so we sat it on the transmission jack and pressed them all out.

Click image to enlarge

After I’d removed the bushes I looked at the kit that came with the tool to install the new ones and wasn’t happy with them as they’d crush the bush before it was seated properly so instead of using them I started to make one that would fit it properly. I’ll finish that tomorrow and get them all refitted.

I did however get both bushes and the bearing changed in both rear hubs so they’re ready to refit now

Fitted shiny new back plates too as the others were getting a tad ropey.

Click image to enlarge

2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

22nd Mar 2022 11:51pm

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16284

2015 Range Rover SVAutobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

David, looking at your front brake callipers... Do you have own any Paint Protection Film? Cut a piece to fit the front panel of your caliper where you have fitted the BREMBO decal and voila your decal will never peel

22nd Mar 2022 11:57pm

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

That’s a great idea! Thanks Craig!

I don’t have any but I’ll order a small roll off eBay to get them protected. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

23rd Mar 2022 12:00am

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16284

You May be able to pan in on mine and see the PPF?

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23rd Mar 2022 12:07am

dhallworth

Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3073

Is it easy enough to apply? I’ve seen video’s online that suggests soapy water and a rubber blade or similar to spread it smooth. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

23rd Mar 2022 12:11am

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16284

dhallworth wrote:

I don’t have any but I’ll order a small roll off eBay to get them protected.

Make sure to only buy 3M stuff David... Tis the best

23rd Mar 2022 12:13am

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16284

dhallworth wrote:
Is it easy enough to apply? I’ve seen video’s online that suggests soapy water and a rubber blade or similar to spread it smooth.

Yes, very easy... Spray bottle with clean water, soak the area, apply and squeegy out...

23rd Mar 2022 12:15am

Jayk69

Member Since: 08 Feb 2018
Location: Daventry
Posts: 601

2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Barolo Black

hats off Dave fantastic job 2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
Discovery TD5 - Gone

23rd Mar 2022 8:00am

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