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Cheet22



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United Kingdom 2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Adriatic Blue

Think I have it sorted.

If you look at your picture pietertje, I have one more relay (yellow) to the top left of the group - so with a green below and a green to its right.

However, when I pulled that, its not a relay, but simply a bridge - there are only two contacts. So I switched a 'proper' relay over to that socket and hey presto, sockets go off with ignition!

SO i'll just go grab a new relay and that should be me.

Question for you though pietertje, is how is yours working at all without that relay or bridge. Can you look real close to that socket and see if anyone has crudely bridged it in some way?

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Weegie



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Scotland 2008 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Any specific relay that you swopped over, Cheet? John
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Cheet22



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Just one of the greens - they all appear same

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Weegie



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Ta Thumbs Up John
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Cheet22



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£5 for a 12v 40a relay from maplin and works a treat!

Wish every job on the rangey cost a fiver 😀

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pietertje



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Good job Cheet22... I will have a closer look today at my box to see what's going on.
Glad you sort yours out... You think I can just swap one of the other relay to the place where the cigar/socket relay should be?? 2002 L322 V8

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Weegie



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The problem is if there is indeed a bridge somewhere then putting a relay in will not overcome it. It will still be bridged and you won't be any further on finding out what is in place. John
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pietertje



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True that... Only one way to find out Wink 2002 L322 V8

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pietertje



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Netherlands 2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Java Black

Just found this in the workshop manual.



It says the location of different relais in the trunk. Also says cigar lighter relay (where fitted)... Hmmmm....

So had another look at the car...


It doesn't seem to be bridged...

So put in the rear seat heater relay


Unfortunately no succes Sad
So this means it must be bridged somewhere else right Question

Btw.. While I was back there, can anyone identify the white loose connector (to the right, above the VDO unit).



Does anyone has any suggestions where to look next???
I really hope to have sorted this out before we go on our holidays (by car). I just bought this car fridge, which fits perfectly in the trunk under the rear shelf. But I don't want it to drain the car battery..... Razz

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Will post a photo while it's in the car.. 2002 L322 V8

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pietertje



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Any technician/electrician here that can help me point out what to check first? I'm not to good in understanding the electrical diagram.

So resume:

1. All my cigar/auxiliary sockets are live, even when there is no key in the ignition.
2. I checked to see if there was a relay installed in my rear fusebox, there is none.
3. Installed a relay in the cigar lighter relay socket, no succes.
4. The socket where the cigar lighter relay should (or could) be installed, is not bridged.

I have a multimeter, so I'm able to check different connections wires?
Who can tell me where to start? Bow down 2002 L322 V8

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nicedayforit



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As I understand it the Socket in the rear luggage space is not a Cigar socket but an Auxiliary socket so it's operation will not be affected by the relay position on the rear fuseboard.
On my car there appears to be two cigar sockets and two auxiliary sockets.
I would have to spend sometime investigating this to give you any help.
If you require the luggage space socket to be ignition controlled irrespective of the rest it's not particularly difficult to achieve you simply need a 20A 4 pin relay, 20A cable and 5A cable and a bit of time.

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pietertje



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Netherlands 2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Java Black

Thank you for your reply.
You are right. There are 2 sigar sockets and 2 aux sockets. So the one in the rear an aux socket. I believe that also accounts for the one in the cubby box.

So I have a bit of time. And I can buy the 20A 4 pin relay, 20A cable and 5A cable. And then? Cool 2002 L322 V8

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Zirconblue



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You can buy inline voltage sensitive relays. You plug them in between the fridge and the accessory socket and it will switch the fridge off when the car battery drops below a certain level.

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nicedayforit



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I've had a look at the wiring diagrams and it appears the cigar sockets can be wired ignition controlled or not.
The variation seems to be achieved either by wiring the sockets directly from the fuseboard or using a bridge connector in the relay position.
The auxiliary sockets are wired directly from the fuseboard although I don't doubt someone will come along and say their's are ignition controlled. Smile
If you get the relay, 2m of 20A cable and 2m of 5A cable in the meantime I will show you what to do in due course, just not today, I'm afraid I'm having problems walking at all. Big Cry
I know what needs to be done it's just I need to check a couple of things in my car before I pass on advice.
Hopefully by tomorrow the tablets will have kicked in. Thumbs Up

ZB, that is indeed another possibility. The only thing that would worry me is that any reduction in voltage if a FF is not helpful to it's continued operation.

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pietertje



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@ zirconblue: I know... But I don't like them to much... I will be installing headrest screens in the near future and I want to connect them to the aux socket wiring (cubby box). In fact i'm not planning on using the sockets at all but only the wiring to them.. I don't like it to much when connectors stick out of the sockets. So I'm looking at a more permanent fix.

@ Nicedayforit: Thank you for willing to help. So mine are wired directly to the fuseboard since there is no relay or bridge. Will buy wires and relay this afternoon. Will any relay do?.

Get well soon! Thumbs Up 2002 L322 V8

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