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MrWold

Member Since: 26 Feb 2022
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Can Bus injection attack hack theft

Only came across this recently whereby vehicle security can be bypassed by tapping into the can bus. Can't find anything on the forum about it. The most widely documented case is via Toyota Rav4 headlights wiring. I had been thinking of getting an Autowatch Ghost or Scorpion X Series immobiliser but can't see the point if they can't prevent this sort of attack. Unfortunately I can't find any information either way. Chris

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17th Apr 2023 5:44pm

MJGH

Member Since: 15 Jul 2018
Location: Essex
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Apparently the can bus on the L405 is being accessed by cutting a small hole in the rear tail gate.
The hole is then being covered up with a GB sticker or some thing similar to avert suspicion whilst the vehicle is driven away.
You can have a protective sleeve fitted over the can bus at this point to prevent it being accessed.
I am having this done next week so can supply more detail then if you like.

17th Apr 2023 10:51pm

Kot

Member Since: 10 Mar 2021
Location: broadland
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The RAV in question didn't have Ghost fitted, so it cant be presumed either way.
below is a good read on how it was done, written by a Can Bus guru, worth reading to the end.
Time to instal my Ghost 2 stickers

https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/ca...ForumLinks 2018 SE SDV8 4.4 Byron Blue

18th Apr 2023 7:18am

stan
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it happened to this chaps sport,

https://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic60060.html?highlight=canbus

Click image to enlarge

... - .- -.

Y. O. L. O.
.

18th Apr 2023 7:44am

dingg1

Member Since: 29 Jun 2013
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Happens on alpha romeo quadrifoglio which has the radar sensor on the front, they plug into it and car gone in a minute 👀

18th Apr 2023 7:56am

James W

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I'm thinking it really is time to buy a large yellow disklok FFRR SDV8 Autobiography

18th Apr 2023 8:29am

calicoj

Member Since: 18 Dec 2022
Location: Valencia
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Kot wrote:

Time to instal my Ghost 2 stickers

Maybe, maybe not. I looked into the Ghost system when I joined this sub after buying a used L405 and after finding out more about its origins, I decided against it.

As you may or may not know, Ghost and Autowatch are UK-created names for a Russian product called IGLA. While the French distributor refused to go into the reasons for the UK name change, my personal theory is that many people would think twice about buying an immobilizer system that's designed and manufactured by Russian hackers. In Russia.

Which begs the question: why doesn't Autowatch disclose the origins of their star product?

Aside from the global anti-Russian sentiment going around, your guess is as good as mine, but ultimately, my point is this: it might be that Ghost stickers will attract the wrong type of thief, if you catch my drift.

Anyhoo, here's IGLA's website, based in Russia, if you're interested: https://iglaglobal.com/Products

IGLA's product that's sold by Autowatch under the Ghost II moniker is actually the IGLA 231.

Now, does anybody happen to know an alternative, technically comparable product that's not made in Russia?

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18th Apr 2023 8:47am

Haylands

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James W wrote:
I'm thinking it really is time to buy a large yellow disklok

They then just use bolt cutters to cut a section out of the wheel, all done in about 5seconds...

Pete

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18th Apr 2023 8:48am

caymanblack

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TGE Video,s talk about RR,s being stolen when fitted with a Ghost system so it's not as good as one thinks. overfinch modified

18th Apr 2023 8:56am

Haylands

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calicoj wrote:

Now, does anybody happen to know an alternative, technically comparable product that's not made in Russia?

I came across this the other day, seems similar and "maybe" not from Russia...

I have not used it so can't comment...

Prices from about £350 installed if you don't book through their website....

https://www.scorpionx.co.uk/ Pete

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18th Apr 2023 9:41am

Philip

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Problem with the CAN Bus thefts is that there’s no proposition of an “official” solution, and the number of L405s and L494s supposedly being stolen is borne out by the insane rises in insurance cost.

Even if you have additional security, you’re still likely to end up with a damaged car.

18th Apr 2023 10:14am

Rex the RR

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I have Smartrack 5 +imob fitted to another car, immobiliser and tracker in 1. A fob has to be present for the car to start plus the added bonus of a tracker. About £500 fitted and £17 per month for the tracker. Insurance is less than £300 per annum.

18th Apr 2023 4:37pm

caymanblack

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I have the same Rex, tested it today and it's not working. overfinch modified

18th Apr 2023 8:03pm

MrWold

Member Since: 26 Feb 2022
Location: West Sussex
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Right I see now that searching for the one word canbus gives a lot more hits on the forum.

caymanblack wrote:
TGE Video,s talk about RR,s being stolen when fitted with a Ghost system so it's not as good as one thinks.

TGE?

As per my first post it seems to me the only immobilisers that may have a chance against this sort of attack are the Autowatch Ghost or Scorpion X Series. Chris

2014 FFRR 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography Barolo Black
2012 RRS SDV6 HSE Baltic Blue
and before I saw the light:
2011 Suzuki Grand Vitara SZ5
1998 Ford Mondeo V6 Ghia X
1990 Citroen BX GTi
1973 Triumph GT6

18th Apr 2023 9:32pm

Mangoman2

Member Since: 30 Jan 2011
Location: EU
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Haylands wrote:
calicoj wrote:

Now, does anybody happen to know an alternative, technically comparable product that's not made in Russia?

I came across this the other day, seems similar and "maybe" not from Russia...

I have not used it so can't comment...

Prices from about £350 installed if you don't book through their website....

https://www.scorpionx.co.uk/

As far as I know its a rebranded Ampire unit from Germany that is ultimately from the Polish company https://www.seoelectronics.pl/

22nd Apr 2023 12:56pm

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