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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Hey guys,
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13th Jul 2022 11:18am |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
just a few photos as promised. No matter how bad things look on these photos, trust me when I say it was worse, I just was too filthy to be taking photos of the most sludged up stages. Definitely beyond my wildest imagination. Still cannot comprehend how someone could neglect a car like this..
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13th Jul 2022 11:23am |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
yes, that's why I'm not ruling out the possibility of a cracked block allowing the coolant leak into the oil, causing the sludge. Hope the machining shop will be able to X-ray the block for me.
I cannot began describing how much time I spent on the clean up so far and the amount of mess that I had to deal with. Wish I had space for a proper parts cleaner box in my garage
There is naturally some visible wear on the cams, but most of it cannot be felt with a nail so hopefully the machining shop will be able to polish it off. I haven't done any tolerance measuring yet as I have been busy with the cleaning, but hopefully will have a detailed damage report later on this week. Fingers crossed Last edited by PeterRRVogue on 13th Jul 2022 12:56pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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13th Jul 2022 12:52pm |
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dingg1 Member Since: 29 Jun 2013 Location: PORTUGAL Posts: 1345 |
Looks likely that its never had an oil change in its life |
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13th Jul 2022 12:55pm |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Yes, and I hope that's the case, as the alternative might be a cracked block |
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13th Jul 2022 1:00pm |
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GraemeS Member Since: 06 Mar 2015 Location: Wagga area Posts: 2486 |
The sludge wouldn't be black if coolant was mixed with the oil, it would be a creamy colour.
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13th Jul 2022 9:06pm |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3241 |
Looks like neglected oil changes but would it look much different in any of our 4.4 at high miles even with the correct service intervals.
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13th Jul 2022 9:25pm |
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johnboyairey Member Since: 11 Jan 2013 Location: surrey Posts: 2032 |
wow. the amount of black death in there! i cant see thats a coolant leak at all. its like the wrong grade of oil, (mineral?) has been put in, and too long ago! yes you might have some oil staravation problems, and a run bearings(s) but if you take all your filthy parts to the machine shop, they will put them in a steamer, and they will be out looking fabulous. you can sort of do all the bits together in their giant dishwasher. might be worth it, as there will be orfices that you dont know of yet. looks like the goo was still like jelly, and not like burnt toast scrapings!, ie in granular form. which might have done even worse damage. im optomistic you will get a good report once cleaned and inspected..... you just have to remember how to get it back together. and time is the factor there, with memory etc... but you did wisely to film your teardown. |
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14th Jul 2022 9:21am |
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garyRR Member Since: 13 Mar 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 1468 |
Remember a head has combustion, cooling and oil channels in it. The crack doesn't have to be between cooling and oil. It can be between combustion and oil, which seems a more likely outcome than coolant leaking, given the sludgey oil which could be coked up with excessive carbon.
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16th Jul 2022 12:12am |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3241 |
Talk of cracked heads seems a bit premature. Nothing in those pics looks anything other than neglected oil servicing or the normal build up of deposits on high mileage engine esp one that has been used in an urban setting with lots of short trips. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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16th Jul 2022 7:43am |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
Well, so the Block, Crank and the complete heads are with the machining shop now. The guy (owner) did some preliminary checks when I brought the engine in and gave me 50-70% chance of being able to save the block and the crank (the chap seemed to have years of experience behind his belt). The crank had a bit of a bend 4 - 6 -8 thou from the overheat so it's 50:50 really. Also the big end and the Main journal on the first two pistons were difficult to tell if they can be fixed within the spec without him having a go at it first. So while I'm waiting for any updates from the machining shop, I'm going to be busy, having both turbos reconditioned, injectors checked / remanufactured, fixing the rust on the subframe (easy access without the engine in) and outsourcing missing parts.
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19th Jul 2022 11:17am |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
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19th Jul 2022 11:21am |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3241 |
Did he pass judgement on the cause - oil starvation? 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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19th Jul 2022 11:26am |
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PeterRRVogue Member Since: 22 Jan 2022 Location: Brackley Posts: 72 |
The bearing span due to oil starvation (i guess this was obvious even to me), in terms of why the oil slugged up like that, most likely no oil change in combination with a wrong oil. Regardless he will check the block and pressure test the heads to make sure there is nothing hiding in there.. |
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19th Jul 2022 12:02pm |
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