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ttrw2



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Late L322 build quality

Looking to buy my first L322. Is there any difference in build quality or amount the later ones rust? I vaguely remember reading some comments a couple of years ago about cost savings/"tata steel" on the 2010- ones.

TIA

Post #626214 15th Mar 2022 11:03am
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Goldstar



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2011 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Stornoway Grey

I've got a 2010 and can't find any significant rust so far. The lower lip of the upper tailgate is prone to rust as are the rear wheel arches/sills but I think that is more to do with the dirt/mud etc rather than the steel. There's a buyers guide somewhere - in the Wiki maybe?

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Scotland 2017 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Corris Grey

My 2012 WM was much worse for rust than my 2004 4.4. Maybe a higher scrap content in the steel? But after at least nine years since the last 322 was made, where and how they have been kept will be the main factors. Scottish cars, or those from windy seaside locations will be worse for corrosion than say ones from London. Only Range Rovers since 1988

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JayGee



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Never been convinced about the quality of the steel being a factor in rust on cars. It's mostly to do with the paint quality. Earlier cars may or may not have better build quality in certain areas but the later cars were more 'sorted' in many other ways. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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Any year can/will rust on the tailgate - how LR have managed to not sort this after 50 years of practice is quite amazing.

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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

likley they never expected the owners to keep them long enough for rust to develop. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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I think the later ones used more recycled steel.

The headlining isn’t as nice on my 2011 as it was on my 2003. Sounds tinny when rain hits the roof by comparison.

The newest ones will be 10 years old now, so imagine you will get a mixed bag when looking….

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ttrw2



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Thanks all. Yep agree it’s a mixed bag with all being 10+ years old. Good point on mileage and Scottish cars.

What about other bits about the car? I see the 3.6 TDV8 dropped the Brembo calipers in 09 for the late facelift, in favour of simpler sliding piston ones. This presumably was part of a cost cutting exercise?

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AJGalaxy2012



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Bonatti Grey

My 2012 was ok as far as the bodywork goes but the subframes were badly corroded. I dont know about earlier pones but JLR had a long way to go to get rust prevention right. BMW i3 Electric Car
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JayGee



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ttrw2 wrote:
Thanks all. Yep agree it’s a mixed bag with all being 10+ years old. Good point on mileage and Scottish cars.

What about other bits about the car? I see the 3.6 TDV8 dropped the Brembo calipers in 09 for the late facelift, in favour of simpler sliding piston ones. This presumably was part of a cost cutting exercise?

What's your budget? Not just to purchase but for repairs and maintenance. These cars can be cheap to buy when they are old but you can be landed with bills equal to the purchase price when something goes wrong like the 3.6's are prone to with EGR valves and turbo failure. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Bournville

I had a 2008 & 2011 L322, the 2011 had the tailgate replaced at 3 years old due to rust, it also had rust bubbles on the rear wheel arches too. I had the 2008 for the same amount of time in Canada with plenty of salt on the roads during the winters but with no rust anywhere at the same point.

I do agree its probably pot luck or differing conditions rather than anything build specific though. If you know where to look for issues you should be able to get one of the better ones Thumbs Up 2021 P400 Silicon Silver AB
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Just to contrast the above, I ran a 2008 for twelve years and it had a tailgate replacement due to rust after seven years. The bubbles in the rear arches began after eight years.

I now have a late 2012 which is just over nine years old and it's mint. Whistle The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom Smile

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mm289



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Agreed - I have had a 2006 and now a 2011 and both are rust free so I think it is quite variable and depends to a degree on what they have been used for, where they live and how well they are looked after - but then you will find some cars that have been well looked after that show rust Rolling Eyes

I have just done the rear arches/sills on mine which were pretty much mint - a few pics at the end of my ownership thread https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic48745-45.html if you want to see what to look for Thumbs Up

What you do find is later models tend to have more toys as the manufacturer gradually loads up later cars to keep selling them when buyers know there is a new model coming out.

Cheers,

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Tailgate

Hi everyone,

Has any one replaced the upper half tailgate on the 2010/2012 model but kept and replaced the glass? My 2012 is showing signs of rust beginning but the glass is tinted and would need to match the rest. The rest of the build quality is up to scratch making it a worthwhile vehicle to keep.
Dave

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ttrw2



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mm289 wrote:
Agreed - I have had a 2006 and now a 2011 and both are rust free so I think it is quite variable and depends to a degree on what they have been used for, where they live and how well they are looked after - but then you will find some cars that have been well looked after that show rust Rolling Eyes

I have just done the rear arches/sills on mine which were pretty much mint - a few pics at the end of my ownership thread https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic48745-45.html if you want to see what to look for Thumbs Up

What you do find is later models tend to have more toys as the manufacturer gradually loads up later cars to keep selling them when buyers know there is a new model coming out.

Cheers,

MM


Thanks, those images are helpful for showing the panels underneath the sill covers and arch liners.

I'm out looking at L322's this weekend - favourite on the list is a 2010 3.6TDV8 Vogue SE with all the toys

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