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b348xyx



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2003 4.4 zf5hp24 Gearbox just been serviced, Red oil used ?

Hi all,

Just wanted to check something if you dont mind

had gearbox serviced at dartford transmissions as recommended alot places, as my gearbox oil pan was leaking so had mega flush done and filter change done same time.

now looking invoice noticed this.

" MN8218 - O.E.M. MULTIVEHICLE ATF - RED - JWS3309 - LT71141

which is this https://www.mannol.de/products/gear-oils-a...e-jws-3309


I have looked all these threads

https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic38595-45.html

https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/post287945.html

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/wrong-gearbox-oil.274633/

Have they used the incorrect fluid ?

thanks

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 2003 Range Rover 4.4 Litre V8 - Adriatic blue

2003 Range Rover 4.4 Litre V8 -Maintenance History Click Here = http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic39687.html

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Gsxr1250dave



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Not sure I will check mine tomorrow I'm sure what I put in wasn't red iv got a few litres left of what I used when I changed mine.

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dhallworth



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I helped a friend change the gear oil in his when it needed doing. He used LT71141 and I’m 99.9% sure it was straw coloured. If someone has put red oil in yours then it sounds like it’s the wrong oil.

If it were my car, I’d be wanting that oil out pretty damn quickly and not using it until it was out.

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updated with part invoice. 2003 Range Rover 4.4 Litre V8 - Adriatic blue

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dhallworth



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JWS3309 and LT71141 are two different fluids.

I wonder if they’ve used an aftermarket oil that claims to meet both specifications.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

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https://www.buycarparts.co.uk/mannol/15768409

This is the oil I think.. MANNOL Multivehicle JWS, O.E.M. 8218 Automatic Transmission Oil

JASO M315 Type 1A, Allison C4, AISIN WARNER JWS3309, JATCO ATF, JATCO 3100 PL085, TOYOTA ATF Type T, TOYOTA ATF Type T-II, TOYOTA ATF TypeT-III, TOYOTA ATF Type T-IV, NISSAN/INFINITI, MATIC D, MATIC J, MATIC K, NISSAN/TEXACO N402, (JATCO FWD), MITSUBISHI DIAMOND, SP-II / SP-III, MAZDA ATF-M III, MAZDA ATF-MV, DAIHATSU ALUMIX, ATF MULTI, HONDA ATF-Z1, (not for CVT), ATF DW-1, SUZUKI 3314, SUZUKI 3317, SUZUKI 2384K, SUZUKI ATF OIL, ATF OIL SPECIAL, SUBARU ATF, SUBARU ATF-HP, HYUNDAI/KIA SP-II, HYUNDAI/KIA SP-III, IDEMITSU K17, MOPAR AS68RC, GM DEXRON IID, GM DEXRON IIE, GM DEXRON IIIF, GM DEXRON IIIG, GM DEXRON IIIH, CHRYSLER ATF +3, CHRYSLER ATF +4, VW/AUDI G 052 025-A2, VW/AUDI G 052 162-A1, VW/AUDI G 052 990-A1, VW/AUDI G 052 990-A2, VW/AUDI G 055 025-A1, VW/AUDI G 055 025-A2, BMW 7045E, BMW LA2634, BMW LT71141, MB 236.1, MB 236.2, MB 236.3, MB 236.5, MB 236.6, MB 236.7, MB 236.9, MB 236.10, MB 236.11, PORSCHE JWS 3309, VOLVO 97340, VOITH 55.6335.XX, ZF TE-ML 03D, ZF TE-ML 04D, ZF TE-ML 11B, ZF TE-ML 14A, ZF TE-ML 14B, ZF TE-ML 16L, ZF TE-ML 17, FORD MERCON V, FORD FNR5, MAN 339F, MAN 339 V1, MAN 339 V2, MAN 339 Z1, MAN 339 Z2



I will have to call and ask but most likely will get "it meets the OEM spec" 2003 Range Rover 4.4 Litre V8 - Adriatic blue

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Gsxr1250dave



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This is what I used, it is straw coloured NOT red

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATF-LT-71141-Sy...635-2958-0

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DrRob



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They are one of the best in the business for LR transmissions so I doubt it very much they put the wrong fluid in.
In their defence, I would have called them first to ask rather than post on here Whistle
https://www.mannol.de/create-pdf/272/en is the oil
Did they rebuild the box or did you take it to them following a rebuild elsewhere I wonder who used red oil? Whistle Rolling Eyes Gone to a good home: 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
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Quote:
They are one of the best in the business for LR transmissions so I doubt it very much they put the wrong fluid in.
In their defence, I would have called them first to ask rather than post on here Whistle
https://www.mannol.de/create-pdf/272/en is the oil
Did they rebuild the box or did you take it to them following a rebuild elsewhere I wonder who used red oil? Whistle Rolling Eyes


Hi, I totally agree which I why I wanted to ask on here first as not said bad word they did the job and they are well recommended just put me back a little when reading the red fluid was used.

as when doing my research, everyone says fluid which is rated Dexron III and LT71141 is not really the correct to use.

Of course I am no expert which is why I am seeking advice here. hoping RRphil will jump in and comment.


The gearbox was rebuilt under Warrenty 09/2018 @ just over 111k, by another garage. reason for recent work was leaking gearbox oil pan, and I believe oil was low in gearbox

and of course this could be a non issue, but rather know now instead having issues and in back my head thinking if its the fluid. 2003 Range Rover 4.4 Litre V8 - Adriatic blue

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Gearbox oil


Interesting, our car was running perfectly (don't fix if it ain't broke comes to mind) we decided to have a full service, also engine and gearbox oil change. Since then we have been having gearbox problems when the engine is hot. When cold no problem. After about a twenty mile run, if we switch off we are then unable to start for about twenty mins. When it starts, it's perfect again with no faults shown.
Last week we were stuck in "P" at a garage after filling up for nearly half an hour Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

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Call and chat to them I would Thumbs Up Gone to a good home: 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
2025MY Defender D350 90 in Silicon Silver on coils
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
Many, many other Landies over the years
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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