Evening all,

I'm new here, although i have previously owned a 4.6 P38. Currently running a diesel golf which is particularly dull, and wanting to get into the world of the L322

I have a budget of up to £13k, I've done endless trawling of the web, several test drives and viewings, insurance quotes etc but can't come to a decision

Either way, it has to be a Vogue, that's a given!

The 4.4 M62 engine is fabulous, ZF box is great too, but would need to go for LPG which induces hotter running, and a poor range between trips to the pump.

I didn't like the TD6 so much, it didn't have the 'wafting' abilities of the 4.4, was noisier and slower, and all of the examples I can find currently have been used as children's playgrounds, however the fuel economy is 'respectable' out of the box and a decent range between fill ups.

Any help on what to go for, and where to look would be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance

Had the same dilema 5 years ago and was "encouraged" to go 4.4i V8 with LPG by a friend and definately no regrets

Not sure I agree with your suggested "running hot" issue though

My car was converted at 28k and has just turned 100k without issue.

Andy. 2015 L405 SDV8 Autobiography, Indus Silver with Black Pack.
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Hi there and welcome.
I bought a td6 3 months ago and as much as I love it I do wonder whether I should have got a 4.4
I find it just lacks the power needed for the size of the car. However once I have taken a trip to JE engineering I expect this to change as others that have had a remap say it makes a big difference.
You'll pay less for a 4.4 which is a bonus although you'll need to factor in the cost of LPG conversion (unless you can find one already done)
Whatever you buy I am sure you'll love it and with 13k you should be able to find a decent 2002-2003 example. FFRR TD6 HSE
Adriatic Blue with Parchment leather.

you said yourself you didnt like the td6 so with your budget the only option is the 4.4. petrol or another car.


Cant work out why so many buy a range rover for speed, you can only go fast in a straight line as they handle like boats, where is the fun in that. 2004 black Vogue TD6

Thanks for your quick replies!

It's good to hear some positive feedback on LPG, what sort of range do you get out of a tank? From a bit of forum trawling the average seems to be around 250

A remap would definitely be in order, as standard it just feels quite underpowered and reluctant to move. The gearbox is the main concern for me on the TD6 however. What sort of fuel economy are you achieving?

Not really after speed, more just relaxed driving. The TD6s I have driven were quite reluctant to pull away from roundabouts and junctions, and getting up to motorway speeds seemed quite a chore, compared to the V8s 'wafting'

Thanks again

I would agree with the comments on the TD6. Pulling away its a bit of effort and you do hear the engine working when getting up to motorway speed. My expectations are that a remap will sort these issues out.
Currently getting about 450-500 miles per tank depending on the journeys I have done (long or short) and the way I drive. I tend to drive pretty steady and I also hope the remap will give me a few more miles per tank and well as alittle more grunt. FFRR TD6 HSE
Adriatic Blue with Parchment leather.

The TD6 could do with some more grunt on the motorway but i just thought it correct to stick up for my old girl....

Do a search as your find most threads here are postive with regards to the 4.4 running on LPG, don't confuse with threads regarding the supercharged on LPG as this is an ongoing debate. 2004 black Vogue TD6

Once you are up to speed, does it matter what engine is pulling you along? The FFRR is not about quick handling, so both waft you along.

A diesel will cost slightly more but once remapped are perfectly acceptable. LPG conversions have their issues too, especially payback times.

I'd suggest looking at these threads for inspiration:

Good luck:

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic119.html

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic875.html?highlight=road+trip

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jonminns wrote:

Evening all,

I'm new here, although i have previously owned a 4.6 P38. Currently running a diesel golf which is particularly dull, and wanting to get into the world of the L322

I have a budget of up to £13k, I've done endless trawling of the web, several test drives and viewings, insurance quotes etc but can't come to a decision

Either way, it has to be a Vogue, that's a given!

The 4.4 M62 engine is fabulous, ZF box is great too, but would need to go for LPG which induces hotter running, and a poor range between trips to the pump.

I didn't like the TD6 so much, it didn't have the 'wafting' abilities of the 4.4, was noisier and slower, and all of the examples I can find currently have been used as children's playgrounds, however the fuel economy is 'respectable' out of the box and a decent range between fill ups.

Any help on what to go for, and where to look would be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance

RRUK, if you do want to recommend your "facts about LPG conversion" please edit it to current real life facts.

"Conversions costs vary from about £1700 for a small family car upwards" - A good quality conversion cost me £1100 for the RR

"You'd need to spend a large amount on Petrol or diesel to recoup the costs ( I do a minimum of 20K a year and would still need to achieve 16 mpg from a FFRRSC to pay it back within 2 years!)" - These figures are based on the £3000 conversion, therefore my conversion will pay itself back in less than a year. I also easily get 20mpg on the motorway, sometimes even more if I stick to the speed limit!

"Your insurance WILL increase marginally" - I'm 26, and my ins didn't increase at all, they just wanted a scan of the cert'

"The conversion takes about 5 days and typically comes with a 2 year warranty" - My conversion took 1 day and comes with a 3 year warranty, they can service remotely over the internet if needs be too.



Overall, I have had a positive experience. I get 200-260 miles to a tank depending on whether I'm abusing it or not. No real noticeable drop in power except when on the last blob of gas. The guys at profess autogas are great and took the time to walk me through the install.

As I said, this will pay itself back in a year. I'm also much happier filling up the car for around £40 vs £120!

There is a review on my experience here, and a few other ppls:
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic3659.html 

Good point Dan, not sure when the thread was written, but conversion costs seem too high. I just paid around £2k to convert my Supercharged, with a two year warranty. If I was to do 20k miles, at 15 mpg on Gas, instead of 17 on petrol, I would save around £2,900 per year, so less than one year payback.

I'm not sure about the warranty stuff either, I don't think Land Rover can legally void your warranty on unrelated parts, as stated in the thread.

I have a warranty on my car (not LR), and it excludes claims relating to LPG conversions, but only insofar as any issue is caused as a result of the LPG conversion. I have a warranty on the conversion, which covers damage as a result of the conversion. Range Rover-less at the moment - Pining!

Land Rovers attitude to LPG is very "Grey" When my LPG system was fitted, from years 3-5 my car continued to be serviced at a main dealer under the VIP package and any warranty issues were dealt with immediately. At the end of the 5th year I had a second new radiator fail which was replaced under warranty. Less than a year later the radiator again failed so they once again replaced it free of charge under the parts warranty but when the same thing happend again 10 months later they decide that the part wasn't covered under warranty a second time as they took the date from when the previous failure occurred. I argued and actually felt I was getting somewhere and then some bright spark in Land Rovers warranty department noticed on the paper work that it had an LPG system and that was the end of that. Landrover flatly refused to discuss the matter any further saying that by having an LPG system fitted it invalidated ANY warranty on the car and not just relating to components directly affected by the conversion. The also said that the LPG system was probably the cause of the radiator failures as LPG causes the coolant to get hotter

Now let me see...........Hot coolant circulating over liquid gas with a temperature of -160 degress C Now I'm no scientist but I think the LPG might just have a cooling effect!

At this point the dealer asked me to "cough" the £600 for the new radiator they had fitted I refused and said they shouldnt have fitted the new radiator without authorisation from me or comfirmation from LR that is was covered under warranty so they swapped back my leaking one

Since my car was almost 7 years old at this point I wasn't too bothered and I then had a friend replace the radiator for me for half the price and its been fine since.

So Land Rover & LPG & Warranty Who knows  2015 L405 SDV8 Autobiography, Indus Silver with Black Pack.
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Gone: 2008 Disco 3 HSE, Hybrid Tv + Retro-fit RSE System & DVD
Gone: 2003 Epsom Green 4.4i Vogue, LPG, Mk4 Nav, BMW Bluetooth Phone, Hybrid Tv Tuner,

Thanks for all your replies everyone

RRUK, your thread about the JE remap gives me more confidence that a TD6 is pretty good when re-mapped

My main concern with the diesel is the gearbox issues though, although obviously everything I read is negative as no-one shouts up when it works

Good to hear that the older 'running hot' issues with LPG are gone, I guess now it's just a toss-up, or which is the better deal when I purchase

Sounds typically LR to invalidate a whole car warranty over an LPG system, good old UK

What does everyone here generally pay for LPG at the moment? It's about 80p a litre here, which isn't so good considering biodiesel is £1 a litre

On the plus side, the insurance quote is very sensible for either (some older named drivers help) however Elephant will insure me on a 4.4 Vogue with LPG as 21 year old for just over £1100 fully comp. The TD6 is even better at just over £1k with a remap declared. However, adding a tracker also loads the premium by £150... bizarre!

Are there any forum off-roading days? I've had a look in the events bit but couldn't really find much. Do you like to keep them clean or can we go and play in the mud?

80p!?

Even the M-way service stations want 74p. I think I pay high 60's at Countrywide. 

Maybe i'm not in a good area for it!

M'way services today was at 86p

Unfortunately there isn't a countrywide near me