The car still starts......... at the moment, it just takes a bit of cranking before the engine fires. When I say a bit of cranking, it's all relative. Normally it would fire straight away. It now takes 3-4 seconds.

We have used the FBH, screens and heated seats alot all through the very cold weather, usually on small journeys too........ it's been fine. It has just been problem a the last couple of days.

Any ideas? I would rather diagnose the fault before it's terminal.

Chris

mine got to the 2/3 turns before starting when it was cold even with a new battery but now the temperature has gone up a bit ,it starts more or less straight away..

the battery normally only lasts about three years so that could be the cause.. ... - .- -.




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Could be a dead injector.

Could be a dead glowplug. 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

elpeede wrote:

Could be a dead injector.

Could be a dead glowplug.

Warm or cold, it doesn't make any difference. Problem isn't continuous though. It's intermittent at the moment.

I had intermittent starting problems before Christmas. It got worse over a week and ended with my FFRR not starting at all one morning. Got it fixed under warranty as only just bought the thing. Initially they thought fuel pump but in the end it was the fuel pump relay. FFRR TD6 HSE
Adriatic Blue with Parchment leather.

Faulty glow plug only show when cold, faulty injector it would be down on power, lumpy.etc.


fuel delivery, starter motor or battery. 2004 black Vogue TD6

Well I can comment on the injector, no it doesn't throw a fault code. At least mine didn't which failed to open when told to. It was injector number 4 (counting front of block to back). It started playing up in Calais, got me to Lake Como , ran it in to be checked up at back village garage who couldn't get the parts before we moved on... Got as far back as Strasbourg and then stopped for fuel. Came to start again and nowt... diddly squat.

We would have conken outen before hand due to a flat battery but I carry a spare 12v Battery when on such trips for Amature radio so was able to jump it. The required cranking got longer and longer and longer as the issue developed.

French garage in Strasbourg got the issue sortedq uquick but failed to tell me they left the fuse in to disable 4x4... took a while to sus out why the lo box wouldn't work and I kept getting a message on the dash!

The other suspect which I discovered going through the process you are now is that it could also be one of the fuel pumps.. of which I understand their are two.

The injector can be tested by requesting a leak off test which basically replaced the return feed from each injector and pumps it in to a bottle so you can see if one injector is returning more fuel (not working) than the others. You would have to do this while trying to start it of course.

To test the pumps I understand this may show on diagnostic equipment as low pressure on the fuel rails.

So both can be tested for!

Reconditioned injector £130, new injector about £250 or so at the time I had problems, though it is cheaper to breakdown in Strasbourg as the injectors are only made just over the border  2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

elpeede, you have more experience with a faulty injector on a range rover than me then, i had one go on a ford tdi engine and it started but ran like a dog.

sorry boffhead, put injector back on your list. 2004 black Vogue TD6

Having had the other 5 reconditioned when we got back I still can't claim to be an expert on them. It didn't really stack up for me either, I'd have expected a lumpy start, but can only sumise that it failed electronically rather than the mechanical side. All I know is one injector later it was running fine!

I did the others as they tend to fail in sets when the do go.  2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

Thanks for all the input. When it's sorted I'll post again. I think I'll have to wait until it fails completely, otherwise I could spend £££ trying to diagnose an intermittent fault.

Good job the RAC membership is all paid up

could be ambient temp sensor

Ive had this with my rr. it was a faulty injector. as mentioned earlier connect six pipes (fish tank air pipe is pefect) to the top of each injector (to the leak off pipes) a simple push fit. you will need to block one side of the leak off connection as 5 of them have a two way connector. put the six pipes into tubs or bottles. start the engine and idle. the six containers should fill very very slowly. one of my injectors half filled a milk bottle in 30 seconds which showed it was faulty(the other 5 bottles were still empty). if your lucky its number1 which is easier to remove. 2-6 need the inlet manifold pulling back and are harder to reach.
The reason this affects starting is the leaking injector drops the whole fuel pressure to all six injectors.this makes them dribble instead of spraying a fine mist making the engine struggle to start. the fuel pump is supplying pressure but the leaking injector is allowing the pressure to escape back to the tank. My rangey seemed to be twice as quick once back on the road and better mpg.