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stan
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but saying its a 'fullfat' doesnt distinguish between the l322 or l405 which there needs to be...

3rd Jan 2014 11:15am

goncalo

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stan wrote:
as tech and design moves on the l405 'should' be a better vehicle Dom but can it be called a fullfat..

^ I agree...

I think if the L405 is the evolution of the RR's and we call it a FFRR, and we exclude the RRS and the EVOQUE, by the logic the classic and the p38 also should be called by FFRR's, because the L322 is the evolution of the P38A and the P28A was the evolution of the classic. Ex-FULLFATTY now downgraded

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3rd Jan 2014 11:35am

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3rd Jan 2014 11:59am

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Quote Stan ... "... saying its a 'fullfat' doesnt distinguish between the l322 or l405 which there needs to be..."

FF3

FF4

3rd Jan 2014 12:45pm

goncalo

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RRFF1 - First generation (1970–1996)
RRFF2 - Second generation (1994–2002) - P38A
RRFF3 - Third generation (2002–2012) - L322
RRFF4 - Fourth generation (since 2012) - L405

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_Rover Ex-FULLFATTY now downgraded

L494 RRS P400e Dynamic Narvy Black

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6 | FF-RR 2007 TDV8 Vogue JAVA BLACK
5 | FF-RR 2003 TD6 Vogue Bonatti grey
4 | Ex-RR 2000 P38 automatic
3 | Ex-RR 1994 300tdi classic
2 | Ex-RR 1993 200tdi
1 | Ex-RR 1991 turboD VM engine

3rd Jan 2014 12:49pm

Nick Ground

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For some strange personal reason I like the idea of FFRRNG!

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3rd Jan 2014 1:06pm

stan
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could that be the NG on the end nick?

FFFRR or FF4RR/ FFRR4 'fullfat four range rover' could be an option

3rd Jan 2014 1:14pm

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Cappo wrote:
I was always under the impression that the term "full fat" referred to a "proper" RR as opposed to the RRS etc? On that basis the L405 is definitely a FFRR!

As an aside, whilst I understand JLR's marketing strategy (i.e., call more stuff Range Rover, get more people to buy themselves a "Range Rover", make more money…..) I have long thought that the RR term should have been preserved solely for the FFRR (in whatever flavour!).

The RRS should have been called the Discovery Sport.

The Evoque should have been called the Freelander Sport. Or the Land Rover Evoque.

They're not Range Rovers!! It cheapens the brand IMO.

Here here +1 from me

3rd Jan 2014 1:22pm

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I always thought the term "full fat" encompassed any only "Range Rover" model. So not including the Sport etc.
I consider a P38 to be full fat and even though I don't like then L405 as much as the L322, I would certainly class it as full fat.
Personally I think it's unnecessary and confusing to introduce an new acronym such as FFRRNG and just continue as always by stating FFRR and the model year.

3rd Jan 2014 1:24pm

Nick Ground

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Most seem to talk about the latest as the "L405" on here. Even the section devoted to the new one is "Range Rover 2013" or "2013/L405" I must admit that I don't refer to mine as a FFRR and in the same way I do not naturally think about the P38A or Classic as FFRR.

What is happening over on the RRS forum reference the L320 vs L449 RRS debate? Same questions?

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3rd Jan 2014 1:34pm

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stan wrote:
but saying its a 'fullfat' doesnt distinguish between the l322 or l405 which there needs to be...

Does there? The new RRS is just called the new RRS. Why can't this be the new FF?

We call the P38 "the P38" and the Classic "the Classic". Full Fat only became necessary to distinguish between lesser Rangies and the Meisterwerk since the introduction of the RRS. It was not an L322 specific name, it was a way of setting the top of the range apart for those that don't understand.

3rd Jan 2014 1:37pm

stan
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the RRS peeps dont have a reason to confuse the two as they dont have a nickname for theirs...

3rd Jan 2014 1:37pm

Nick Ground

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Following on from the "Emporer" line of thought we, at the risk of intense flaming, should be referring to the Classic, P38A and the L322 in the past tense and the FFRR as the current RR on sale?

Hard hat and bulletproof vest now on.

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3rd Jan 2014 1:40pm

stan
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as an example, the hercules transport plane was affectionately called the fat albert and its replacement [a400m] was nicknamed the grizzly or atlas...
i feel its the same situation with the l322 [fullfat] and the l405 [?????}.....

3rd Jan 2014 1:48pm

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stan wrote:
the RRS peeps dont have a reason to confuse the two as they dont have a nickname for theirs...

I wonder if they will start their own names now there is a discovery based sport and a Range Rover based sport ? 2021 P400 Silicon Silver AB
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3rd Jan 2014 2:10pm

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