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carlos50



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RR S/C Suspension v's TDV8

Hi all

Thinking of coming back to the stable and am considering a RR S/C 4.2 Vogue SE on a 2007 so the facelift with new dash etc. Anyway, ive had the TDV8 and whilst fairly happy, found it didnt feel that nimble as a result of the turbo lag whereas the petrol will feel more lively from lesser throttle.

My question is, does the 2007 S/C suspension have different suspension / driving dynamics than the TDV8 in order to give a flatter (if that's the word LOL) ride or do they have the same? Using an example, the older 4.4 V8 had a softer ride than the first S/C but did things change for 2007 MY?

The one i fancy is 350 miles away so cant test drive until the weekend at best.

Thanks

Carl

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No, they changed in 10MY and on i think where it got the adaptive cornering guff to help keep it flatter Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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So its the same set up therefore same ride on the S/C compared with the TDV8 for 2009 until the newer one in 2009?

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The suspension on my Mdl 10 TDV8 is pure pish compared to my old 06 SC Big Cry ====================================

"Open Mike Night " sounded like a lot of fun until i found out i was going to an Autopsy

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Sorry, do you mean rubbish and the S/C is better? The crying has thrown me a little Embarassed

Ah, i see now, you bought a 10 MY and the S/C was better. Great, its what i what i wanted to know.

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Yeah the suspension set up on my TDV8 is way too floaty at times , the SC set up was a helluva lot better … Thumbs Up ====================================

"Open Mike Night " sounded like a lot of fun until i found out i was going to an Autopsy

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Funny enough I read this only this week on SC suspension ??
May be Pre-facelift though.

"Suspension, Steering and Braking: ........ The air suspension was refined for better on and off road ride. On the supercharged model, the suspension was adjusted to provide flatter cornering but at the expense of an inch or so of articulation, which will slightly restrict ultimate off road performance."


See section half way down "MID 2005 MAJOR UPDATE"


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"On the supercharged model, the suspension was adjusted to provide flatter cornering but at the expense of an inch or so of articulation, which will slightly restrict ultimate off road performance."


My understanding that this is the case on all Supercharged models so 2007 TDV8 will not handle as well as 2007 SC.

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for 'normal' off road performance the s/c will not suffer at all, member justinp brought his 2006 s/c to salisbury plain and he had no problems 'doing' what my td6 and member Doms 2007 tdv8 did... ... - .- -.




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TBH the wheel and tyres will affect it just as much as the TDV8 will be on 19's and the sc on 20's which have a slightly stiffer sidewall with their reduced height and 20's being more road biased tyres in general in standard fitment. FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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there are probably more tdv8's on 20'' tyres than 19'' looking at the ebay/autotrader/ps ads i have been perusing lately....

it is a fact that the s/c does have a stiffer suspension so will ride slightly firmer...

[btw , stiffer sidewalls will be relevant to make and type of tyre not size.] ... - .- -.




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Same tyre model will be stiffer in 20 than 19 as there is less of it to move Wink

Think of the sidewall as a piece of cardboard. have it 4" long and its pliable to a certain extent before crumpling/creasing. cut it half and its much less pliable Smile

Its why TD6's weren't really made for 20" wheels as the stiffer sidewall makes the car shake more at idle in drive as the rubber isn't flexible enough in the sidewalls to absorb and dampen the vibrations.

That bit above is well documented on here Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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kingpleb wrote:
Same tyre model will be stiffer in 20 than 19 as there is less of it to move Wink
Think of the sidewall as a piece of cardboard. have it 4" long and its pliable to a certain extent before crumpling/creasing. cut it half and its much less pliable Smile


the difference in side wall dimension between a 255/50/20 and a 255/55/19 same make tyre/type is 13mm so your cardboard theory is very inaccurate.


kingpleb wrote:
Its why TD6's weren't really made for 20" wheels as the stiffer sidewall makes the car shake more at idle in drive as the rubber isn't flexible enough in the sidewalls to absorb and dampen the vibrations.

That bit above is well documented on here Smile


indeed this is well documented, but the reason the td6 gets the vibrations is because of the torsional oscillation causing a driveshaft resonance..this only happens on the diesel and not the petrol model.... ... - .- -.




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The analogy is crude but an affective one.

making a medium shorter will make it more rigid and from my own experience it makes a difference in the ride and handling Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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i agree with that,

but in this case the side wall dimension of a 255/50/20 is 127.5mm and the 255/55/19 is 140.25mm which is a difference of only 13mm making your theory totally irrelevant.. ... - .- -.




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