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Andy



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Time for FBH- what do I need to buy then?

I haven't got a remote, so ill need one of those. What else will I need and how can I check I haven't already got it?

At the moment, all I see on the dash when I get in on a old morning is "Pre Heating". Doesn't feel warm in the cabin though. 2010 MY Vogue SE TDV8 3.6 Stornoway Grey- fully loaded

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Ask dan if he has time to get your build list and see if timed or remote climate is on it. If it is jobs a good en.

If not maybe see about the bad remote fbh kit Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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Hi Guys,
You do not really need to bother Dan - and if someone has activated park heat after the car left the factory the build sheet will not help.

Noddy, you need to check the menu (nav screen). I am not sure exactly what it tis called on the early L322, but you will find a menu on the nav screen with timed ventilation and, if it is activated, park heat (and I'd appreciate if you'd post what it is called as I have this in German... Embarassed ).

If you only have timed ventilation in the menu, you will need park heat activated and then the telestart bits. If you have park heat in the menu all you need are the telestart bits or just use the timer. The tlestart bits will not work w/o park heat activated. As I've posted before, the only units that I am aware of that will allow park heat activation are the OEM T4/IDS/SDD, Autologic, BBS MSV, or IIDTool.

Telestart in the link on the other thread... 
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Andy



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All it says in the menu is 'Aux Vent'. 2010 MY Vogue SE TDV8 3.6 Stornoway Grey- fully loaded

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This is also where I'm at.....

You need to enable park heating in the software, as mentioned above.

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1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
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1988 BMW 735i SE
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SteveMFr wrote:

If you only have timed ventilation in the menu, you will need park heat activated
 
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P38, and 2 L322s
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Mine is going in to the indy today for a few things doing before winter (new tyres & brakes etc), If they can activate park heat does that mean all i need is a remote and it will work? If so does anyone know how much they are or if you can still get them? 2003 Range Rover HSE 3.0 TD6
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Do you not need some Telestart thing ? Could be wrong.

I understand there is an aerial or something that receives the signal from the remote. Does it use the tv antenna on some, or is that the later ones.

I'm just looking to get it on the dash menu. That'd be a start. 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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wedgel322 wrote:
If they can activate park heat does that mean all i need is a remote and it will work?

Yes. Actually it will work w/o a remote as you'll be able to program 2 time presets to auto-start the park heat function. But a remote is very convenient. And it is more or less plug n play. See below.
wedgel322 wrote:
If so does anyone know how much they are or if you can still get them?

Webasto UK (expensive) or ebay (can be quite inexpensive). Try ebay.de as well as Webasto is German and many Germans have park heaters.

mjdronfield wrote:
This is also where I'm at..... Thumbs Up

mjdronfield wrote:
I'm just looking to get it on the dash menu. That'd be a start.

You'd be someplace completely different if you'd just pony up and buy an IIDTool. That would be a real start! Laughing

Sorry, couldn't resist. Embarassed

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SteveMFr wrote:
Hi Gary,
As I posted in the other thread (linked to by mjdronfield above), you'll need to have the park heat function activated for the remote to work. AFAIK, the only LR diagnostic systems capable of this are the IIDTool, BBS MSV, Autologic, or OEM T4/IDS. If this would have been possible without programming, I would have had park heat several years ago - long before GAP Diagnostic was formed and the IIDTool developed. I tried all of this - all here in several year old threads somewhere. Cool

You don't need the remote receiver to make this work if you have park heat activated. Your white plug has 3 wires: red/? = +, Bn/? = Gnd, and Gn/Wt = signal to FBH. ( I hope I'm remembering the colors correctly). All you have to do is bridge the + and the Gn/Wt and your FBH should start running if activated. If not, you'll need to get it activated first.

The reason you have a white plug that does not fit into the remote receiver is because you have an early L322 which had the Webasto T60 remote rather than the T80/90 series.

The function on the later receivers is exactly the same, tho, and if you check the wiring diagrams in the RAVE you can even solder the 3 wires to the appropriate pins if you like - or source the correct connector from a breaker. This is a T90:


OEM, the antenna for the remote is the TV antenna on the right side rear window with a different antenna amplifier than TV only. Info is in the RAVE. This is VW but it looks similar to what you would need if you wanted to go all original:
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As parts are hard to find used and very expensive new, I'd just go with a window antenna behind the C-pillar cover or similar. Webasto window antennas can be seen in the remote reciever pics above - the flat rectangular bit with the wire coming out (the one in the t90 pic is blue).
TBH, tho, if you are not interested in maximum range, try various lengths of wire in the antenna connector... Razz
 
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wedgel322



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very helpfull thank you very much indeed. Im off to garage now so i will post back how i get on. 2003 Range Rover HSE 3.0 TD6
Java Black, Cream Leather Heated seats all round, Sat Nav, Rear TV's.
2013 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8
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Rolling with laughter

I know, I know..........and you failed to point out that the different place I'd be in would also be warmer !!

Still await pixel repair by warranty company..........

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1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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Andy



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I've seen a telestart T91.remote on eBay- are they compatible with early L322s like mine? 2010 MY Vogue SE TDV8 3.6 Stornoway Grey- fully loaded

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Andy



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And 2nd question- do the VW units work in a FF as there are loads for sale on eBay. They look the same 2010 MY Vogue SE TDV8 3.6 Stornoway Grey- fully loaded

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SteveMFr wrote:
The reason you have a white plug that does not fit into the remote receiver is because you have an early L322 which had the Webasto T60 remote rather than the T80/90 series.

The function on the later receivers is exactly the same, tho, and if you check the wiring diagrams in the RAVE you can even solder the 3 wires to the appropriate pins if you like - or source the correct connector from a breaker. This is a T90:


The plugs for the wiring harnesses are different. Compare the white socket on the T60 receiver in the top pic to the black on the lower. The T80/90 had a rectangular plug. The T60 a nearly square plug. Also certain series of the later receivers emitted a W-bus signal to start the heater rather than a simple +12V signal which you need. Just get a T60 receiver/sender set and be done with it, Noddy. Plug and play. Buy on ebay.de with a seller who accepts paypal if you can't find one in the UK. They are much more plentiful and are likely to be much less expensive. 
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