Thank you for supplying the forum location Andy_J.
I have read the topic, as this is perfectly possible without owning a Lotus Elan.
The person in question is actually from The Netherlands, Delft, and had a customer
come into his garage with a TSL treated car.

He wrote:

Quote:

TSL... Your thoughts?

Postby HJ2 » Mon 10.10.2011, 08:49

Last week I drove a Elan into my garage for some service.

I immediately noticed how beautiful round and smooth the engine ran. Without asking, the owner told me he added TSL to the engine oil and how very very content he was with the result.

What are the long term expectations?
I am not such a big fan of additives or 'enhancers', especially with turbo engines, but even I noticed the difference without knowing it was the TSL, so I might be in for an experiment. Bonus is the protective layer in case of oil failure (for example the dreaded oil change in 2 seconds due failing inter-cooler hoses...)

What are your thoughts then, and what thoughts can be backed with hard data / evidence?

Bored now.. This is an argument that will never be won, either way. Previously..
Vogue SE TD6
Defender 90 2.4
Defender 110 TD5
Vogue 3.5 EFI

To add a bit of clarity

The chap who started the discussion was happy with the product.

The other party (bobbrown) to the discussion has over 30 years experience in motorsport engineering and you can read his opinion below

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by bobbrown » 10 Oct 2011 08:51

If TSL (more information needed) is an oil additive then in my opinion it is a waste of money and may even be detrimental.
There is a host of information on oil additives out there, the good is usually by the people selling it or by people who have been misled by the companies making it and the bad is by people who understand the reasons why you should not use it.

In a nutshell, if these oil additives were that good then why not add them at source e.g. the oil manufacturers, they have multi million £ research facilities to analyse any benefits, and if these were beneficial help them sell there products.

Personally I would take it back and get it removed as you did not ask for it to be added, and that would include an engine flush to get rid of as much possible.

Bob 56 TDV8 Vogue SE
9 Freelanders, 2x 2002 TD4ES, 2001 TD4, 2002 1.8GS, 2000 XEDI, 2x 2000 1.8ES, 2004 1.8 & 2000 1.8 GS (rolled)
91 Lotus Carlton (sold)
90 Lotus Elan (BRG)

You didn't say that here though, Andy_J. You said that the majority of the users on that forum
felt it was not a product for them.

But there are only 2 people who participated in that discussion.
It's hardly what you would call a majority.

Andy_J wrote:

I came accross TSL on another forum I am a memeber of back in October 2011. The conclusion of that forum was that a majority of the users felt it was not a product for them. However amongst some of the discussion on the forum the following article was refered to :-

Andy_J wrote:

Personally I would take it back and get it removed as you did not ask for it to be added, and that would include an engine flush to get rid of as much possible.

Bob

Hess the forum is a very active forum, the fact that the topic was essentially ignored by the other members indicates they had no interest in TSL

hess wrote:

Andy_J wrote:

Personally I would take it back and get it removed as you did not ask for it to be added, and that would include an engine flush to get rid of as much possible.

Bob

Think Bob didn't pay much attention, as he has mixed up the garage holder asking the questions
with the car owner who adds TSL to his own car...

Sure Andy_J, and how do you anticipate to proof that?

hess wrote:

Sure Andy_J, and how do you anticipate to proof that?

prove what  56 TDV8 Vogue SE
9 Freelanders, 2x 2002 TD4ES, 2001 TD4, 2002 1.8GS, 2000 XEDI, 2x 2000 1.8ES, 2004 1.8 & 2000 1.8 GS (rolled)
91 Lotus Carlton (sold)
90 Lotus Elan (BRG)

That you know that people don't have an interest in something simply
because they didn't participate in a discussion on a busy website.

Come on guys, nobody will win this. A product has to start somewhere, and once there is enough feedback other buyers can take a chance. It may do some good, it may not. If you are happy take a punt then try it, if not then relax.

Hess has some good points and so does Andy let's leave it at that and let the members work out what they want to believe and judge. Tom

Current Drive
2011 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography - Santorini Black - Ivory Leather

Previous Drives
2004 Model Vogue Td6 (Touchscreen) - Java Black - Parchment Leather
1994 RR Classic 3.9 V8 Soft dash - Niagara Grey - Grey Leather
1972 Series III SWB Safari - Green (Hand Painted) - Black Plastic

Good point Flashman.

There's 10 pages on Disco3.co.uk which I condensed in reviews on here.
29 individuals registered and bought TSL and have been using it in their cars.

Their real experiences and comments are noted for all to read, in no way
altered, changed, edited or influenced by me.

I would suggest people formulate their opinion on TSL from that.

Flashman well said

Hess I don't intend to prove anything, not because I can't, but rather as I know you and I are never going to agree on the use of TSL 56 TDV8 Vogue SE
9 Freelanders, 2x 2002 TD4ES, 2001 TD4, 2002 1.8GS, 2000 XEDI, 2x 2000 1.8ES, 2004 1.8 & 2000 1.8 GS (rolled)
91 Lotus Carlton (sold)
90 Lotus Elan (BRG)

Good on the both of you.

Everyone has made their point, lets see how it goes. Maybe Hess will be able to keep an eye on any feedback from customers sourced here. Would be interesting to know if it does do anything beneficial from a Fullfat perspective.

I know I am always looking for ways to take the clatter edge off the diesel noise. Tom

Current Drive
2011 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography - Santorini Black - Ivory Leather

Previous Drives
2004 Model Vogue Td6 (Touchscreen) - Java Black - Parchment Leather
1994 RR Classic 3.9 V8 Soft dash - Niagara Grey - Grey Leather
1972 Series III SWB Safari - Green (Hand Painted) - Black Plastic

It's a shame people take the view to go with advice from others
who haven't tested the product, don't know the product and
just generalise it with their own assumptions or experiences
with other products that are not related to TSL at all.

I was hoping that people would be more open and willing to look at things
from different angles and make their own minds up. Not go by judgements of people
who haven't tested the product themselves.

But, it is your choice, and you are fully entitled to it.

Flashman, I doubt someone will sign up on here, purely because of the backlash
they'd fear from fellow forum members. I've felt it for 2 days now, it's not pleasant.

For anyone that is interested in the Lotus Élan forum posting:

http://forum.lotuselancentral.com/viewtopic.php?f=122&t=19858

Paul