Advertise on fullfatrr.com »

Home > Maintenance & Mods (L322) > wise to replace Torque converter only?
Post Reply  Down to end
Page 1 of 1
Print this entire topic · 
Dolphinboy



Member Since: 07 Dec 2009
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3137

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand
wise to replace Torque converter only?

Have read a lot of RR Phils and others' posts ref gearboxes etc.

Am thinking of carrying out a pre-emptive strike on my 170,000 mile 2004 4.4 V8 and replacing just the Torque converter before anything starts to go wrong and damages the GB.I know you can get a kit to replace everything for £1800 (is that realistic?) I am looking at paying only £500-600 all in.

Before acting, I want to know whether anyone has done this and if this is advisable now or wait for signs of it going wrong:

1. Is it advisable to just replace the TC on its own without other components as well ? (current GB running fine and changing sweetly at the moment)

2. Which make/brand TC to go for (New or refurbed?) or refurbish current one?

3. Costs? (is it really 5 hrs labour?) cost of replacement TC?

Many thanks
DB

Post #282892 25th Sep 2014 10:38pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
JST



Member Since: 12 Dec 2013
Location: Somerset
Posts: 490

England 2012 Range Rover Westminster 4.4 V8 Stornoway Grey

have you tried going straight to Ashcorfts and asking them for prices?

Post #282933 26th Sep 2014 8:53am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Dolphinboy



Member Since: 07 Dec 2009
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3137

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand

Yes seen those. At £150 for a TC, i could get my local indie to fit, hence the 5 hr? Q and at £40/hr, it is a cost effective option.

Just wondered whether replacing the Tc on its own is going to be enough or will it let probs arise further down the line?

I am intending to get my baby past 200,000 miles!

Post #282939 26th Sep 2014 10:39am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
JST



Member Since: 12 Dec 2013
Location: Somerset
Posts: 490

England 2012 Range Rover Westminster 4.4 V8 Stornoway Grey

try ringing Dave and asking him as to benefits or if its worth while, i am note sure how much wear your would have and if it would be justified.

5hrs for Gbox (or engine out) replace and refit is good i would of thought on one of these (speaking having never done one)

Post #282940 26th Sep 2014 10:41am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
mjdronfield



Member Since: 04 Nov 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 7793

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

I am sure I saw on here somewhere about an uprated torque converter, but I can't seem to find the thread....... 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport


Last edited by mjdronfield on 26th Sep 2014 12:16pm. Edited 1 time in total

Post #282945 26th Sep 2014 11:24am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
RCusden



Member Since: 12 May 2012
Location: NarberthPembrokeshire
Posts: 186

Wales 

/\ was it river stock that got an uprated one and the gearbox ecotune ecu for his. I liked the sound of all that but then read one of rrphil's posts about poss causing issues with the tc locking up to soon.
Roger

Post #282947 26th Sep 2014 11:41am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
mjdronfield



Member Since: 04 Nov 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 7793

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Ah yes, thanks. Turns out its actually Riverstick

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic25279....p;start=15

With this

http://www.roadblaster.com.au/pages/RANGE%...L40-E.html

I know it's not exactly what you asked, but if you are doing it you may want to look at all the options.

I was thinking of the tc upgrade in my post above, rather than the ecu one, which as Roger rightly points out, has had a bit of negative press. According to the seller he has resolved the issues now.......if I remember right....... 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Post #282951 26th Sep 2014 12:26pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Dolphinboy



Member Since: 07 Dec 2009
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3137

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand

it was Riverstick but it was for a Doozle.

RR Phil, (guru of all things gearboxical) - any thoughts?

Post #282952 26th Sep 2014 12:26pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
mjdronfield



Member Since: 04 Nov 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 7793

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Ah, sorry.

Was typing as you posted.

I stoop corrected Thumbs Up 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Post #282953 26th Sep 2014 12:29pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
RRPhil



Member Since: 22 Aug 2011
Location: Blackburn, Lancashire
Posts: 963

United Kingdom 

There’re only a couple of ‘standard’ faults with the 5HP24 in the L322. One is the torque converter lock-up clutch (which you’re seeking to address) and the other is the axial bearing failure between the B-clutch hub & the C-clutch drum. Because the likelihood of failure of the latter will depend on how much time your vehicle has spent in 1st, 2nd & 3rd gears, and at what speed & load, it’s very difficult to predict a mileage at which this might occur (if, indeed, ever). If the vehicle has spent much of its life in hilly areas towing trailers then clearly it’s going to happen sooner than if the majority of its duty cycle consists of travelling up and down the motorway.

Your suggestion to pre-empt LUC failure seems very sensible to me. The book time for removing and replacing the transmission is 4.7 hours (previously 5.4 hours). When my local (independent) garage swapped my TC it was the first time they’d done the job on an L322 and it took them 5.5 hours.

If you have your TC remanufactured I would strongly suggest that you only use a company that has experience in setting up the LUC in the Sachs WA4/W260 S-2GWK unit used in the Range Rover (e.g. JPAT or Sussex Auto Parts). The abutment for the tangential driving straps (which double as return springs for the LUC piston) is friction welded into place at the factory and, as the piston movement is only in the order of 1mm, it has to be re-welded into place very accurately.

Click image to enlarge


Click image to enlarge


Click image to enlarge


If they get this bit wrong you’ll actually be worse off than before you started.

Phil

Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Mr. Green

Post #282957 26th Sep 2014 1:16pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Dolphinboy



Member Since: 07 Dec 2009
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3137

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand

Phil, once again you are the Oracle!! I am determined to drop off a case of beer next time I am passing your gaff!

Following your words of wisdom, I am going to go ahead with it. I am thinking of just getting one sent from Sussex autos. That way I don't have to send them mine for refurbishment and extra time off the road. I take it Phil, their one will have had the LUC sorted!?

Many thanks
DB

Post #282966 26th Sep 2014 3:50pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
vaz



Member Since: 15 Jun 2014
Location: Colne, Lancashire
Posts: 332

United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Java Black

For what it's worth, I sent mine to JPat. They collected it on a Friday and I had it back the following Tuesday.
£278 including post both ways.

Steve. 1968 Series IIA Pastel Green, nearly there project

Post #283006 26th Sep 2014 9:04pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Dolphinboy



Member Since: 07 Dec 2009
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3137

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand

Thx vaz. Thumbs Up

Post #283054 27th Sep 2014 9:02am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Weejock



Member Since: 30 Dec 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 417

2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Epsom Green

I was quoted £180+VAT from Sussex Auto Parts earlier in the year for recon.
Turnaround was 1 day, basically they said if they got it on a Wednesday you would get it back on the Friday.
They didn't have any stock so I ended up taking mine down there and they were extremely helpful. Once they found out I had a 2 hour drive to get there they offered to refurb it as I waited (they reckoned on 2 hours). Then they went out of their way to provide a replacement from another order (which they said they wouldn't normally do, they get a regular bulk refurb order in from Germany for about 60-70 TC's) and then only charged me £150 inc VAT.
I thoroughly recommend them.
TC has been in for 6 months now and no issues.

Post #283283 28th Sep 2014 9:10am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Dolphinboy



Member Since: 07 Dec 2009
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3137

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand

That's great news WeeJ. THx. Thumbs Up

Post #283285 28th Sep 2014 9:25am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Post Reply
Post Reply  Back to top
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT

Jump to  
Previous Topic | Next Topic >
Posting Rules
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Site Copyright © 2006-2024 Futuranet Ltd & Martin Lewis
fullfatrr.com RSS Feed - All Forums


Switch to Mobile site