Mikey wrote:

The 2.0 Ingenium is fitted to the 405, in petrol guise

While they seem to be much better than the diesel variant, that may be down to volume sold...

Fair enough, didn't think of that, was really thinking of the diesel variants! But good call  1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
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ChrisJC wrote:

The problem is when the Ingenium is mounted transversely in the Disco Sport / Evoque. There isn't enough room to mount the DPF where it needs to be, i.e. right on the exhaust manifold.

So it doesn't work as well, and hence the oil dilution.

Not a problem on 'proper' vehicles, like Range Rover and Jaguar.

Chris.

Remember reading that the cat problems wre worse where the engine was transversely mounted which forced the positioning further down the exhaust.
A friend has a D5 with the straight six engine has experienced (amongst other issues! ) failure of the alternator drive belt which doubles up as the hybrid power source drive. I believe that this is a poor elm across all ingenum powered cars.
Unfortunately it is not just JLR who has problems designing a reliable engine ….look no further then the Ford eco boom! A wet belt engine where the timing belt runs inside the engine sump and breaks down with the oil which often leads to premature failure. Replacement is also expensive circa £1,000 +. 2012 tdv8 Westminster arrived Jan 19 gone Dec 23

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Vogue wrote:

I’m probably not going to be popular with this - but i would (and did) avoid anything with an Ignium engine in it - I went for the last of the V8 Diesels and would do exactly the same again - I’m on my 3rd V8 Diesel and everyone has been faultless - absolutely no chance repeating that reliability record with any Igniboom engine.

If I couldn’t have bought an SDV8, it would have been
A 5.0 petrol - it’s as simple as that 👍🏻😃

My tuppence worth (and has served me well) is if you own a diesel RR you must learn how to change the oil and filter yourself irrespective of dealer servicing (which should be done alongside your own oil changes for waranty support). I change my RR oil every 3 to 4k miles with quality oil and filter. It costs me circa £75 plus an hour of my time. The oil pump is a manual one from amazon costing £45 but there are plenty of manual and powered options.

I enjoy driving knowing my oil is able to do its job and protect my valuable running gear. 2012 4.4 TDV8 Vogue Santorini black ivory leather

Hi, I've had experience of this with a Mazda in the past, it's pretty much common to all DPF based diesels with the diesel injection regen process and since then I have always changed the oil every 5000 miles.

Also I'm lucky in that I have 2 cars, I use the Micra for shopping trips etc. Anything less than a few miles, which means I'm not exposing the fatty to too many part regens so fuels not getting in the oil in the first place.

Unfortunately my own OCD does not really protect me from a previous owner, who likely having the car from new and under warranty probably took no such precautions and so by the time I come to buy it 3 years old, the damage could already have been done and it's just a matter of time before the kaboom.

It's also one of those paradox scenarios, where you'd really want a low mileage lightly treated car but in actual fact, it would be the higher mileage harder driven car that is likely in the better condition engine wise.

A. Fuji White / Jet 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster

Has anyone wrapped the exhaust manifolds/pipe to maintain the temperature to aid the dpfs efficiency? We used to do it on rally cars to take temperature away from the engine bay so should help especially where the dpf is fitted further back on the exhaust. 2012 tdv8 Westminster arrived Jan 19 gone Dec 23

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Good shout V8 Bob,

When I was into Westfield kit cars, ceramic coating was a popular thing to do as well as exhaust wrapping!

IIRC, one company was Camcoat who would ceramin coat exhaust manifolds / downpipes. The exhausts would be so cool, you could touch them even after driving hard. Pushes all the heat down-stream.

By the way, there's a V8 Bob on the Westfield forum, used to own a SEight like mine - not you is it?

Jon 1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
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No not on Westfield forum although I have often considered building one! Used user name since I had a classic V8 Range Rover. 2012 tdv8 Westminster arrived Jan 19 gone Dec 23

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 1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
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We've had a Discovery Sport Hybrid courtesy car for almost a month now.

It's a 3 cylinder, 1.5 litre Turbo Ingenium engine assisted by a battery that gives around 25 miles EV only range in a perfect world.

The 3 cylinder makes 200bhp and the motor adds 100bhp. Whilst it goes pretty well and corners nicely, it's definitely not a car I'd buy.

A 1.5 litre 3 cylinder turbo making 200bhp isn't something that I can see lasting that long, especially when it's got "Ingenium" written on the cover. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
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2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

.. in the beginning of the thread there was a misunderstanding about the technology (what is Ingenium?)

as an owner, which had the Lion and now the Ingenium, I would like to clarify quickly

in the RR/RRS there were:
- V6 Diesel
- V8 Diesel

from end of 2020/beginning of 2021 JLR launched the Ingenium Diesels as:
- Inline 6 with MHEV
- Types: D250, D300, D350
The number is similar to the horse-power

until now neither I read nor experienced anything about oil dilution or engine outages in the Ingenium Diesel area.
besides that the Ingenium Diesel is maybe one of the most modern Diesel engines on earth now, I would like to shortly focus on the DPF architecture:
the significant difference is the mounting of the DPF (and CAT) directly to the turbo outlet. The DPF of the V6 Lions was far away from the engine and therefore during normal driving conditions had lower temperature (which leads to more active regenerations)

the only negative point about the Ingenium is the extended oil service intervall: 2Y or 34000km
Me, personally will change the oil every max. 10'000km by the vacuum method by my own. Every 2Y I will let JLR do it, so that I have a proper service history in OSH.
I have now 40'000km on the ODO and have done oil changes at 4000, 17000 and 33000km

additonally I try to fill up only FAME-free Diesel (e.g. BP Ultimate Diesel) to avoid Bio-Diesel... Range Rover Sport HST D350