Hi,

After spending €900 on a new starter and battery. That and a JLR service whereby they could not find intermittent starting problems. I cannot start my car yet again.

Wife moved it from drive way to road. Got in, just makes a click and dash goes off.

Tried a booster pack
Tried jump leads.

Can’t get drive knob to raise (is there a truck please ).

Fed up

Have you checked the battery connections are tight? Could be a lose earth somewhere.

Hi,

Yes thank you.

Awaiting Edgertons breakdown .

The trick to disengage Park is to pull out the cup holders, open the hatch underneath then turn the slotted plastic thing 90 degrees then pull on the red thing to release park.
Try to start the car after releasing and reselecting park a couple of times - it cured my intermittent problem.

Afraid drive knob won’t raise until started.

There is an emergency park release cable / handle but this is for moving onto recovery truck.

Could try the maxi fuse for starter it’s 400 amps, you’ll need a meter to test it or one of those screwdrivers with a lamp inside it, they usually have an earth lead / clamp on them.



Also Could be a bad earth on engine block, enough to engage solenoid but not good enough to rotate starter.

I used the black jump lead to test when mine was playing up.
Basically black jump lead on negative. - terminal of battery other end of black lead on engine block. Disregard red lead, do not connect it to anything & move it out the way of fan belts etc. This will check the engine ground / negative lead.

I believe the positive lead for the starter goes to the alternator first & then finally onto the starter, so a bad connection there or any corrosion will have the same results.

Went through all this last week with mine. Fitted new battery myself an agm type as mine was dropping to 8.4 while trying to crank & was charged fully the night before. This was £180 just for the battery. After fitting that it won’t crank at all. No solenoid clunk , nothing. Check starter motor relay & fuse all good.
Removed starter, tested with jump leads on the floor off the car, it was completely dead, solenoid wouldn’t even engage.
Ordered new starter £253 denso Dsn 1207 fitted it myself , starts on the button now, turns over a little quicker the usual.

Hope this help.

Thanks for your replies

Starter motor fitted in Spain 6 weeks ago has failed. I’ve asked him to recover it tomorrow. Bit fed up now.

you are confirming something I am also experiencing. I have a workaround when that happens, press and hold the starter button then depress the brake pedal. See if this works for you.

I have noticed a voltage drop to the starter relay coil on my car. This will prevent the starter solenoid not engaging or engaging properly. Troubleshooting is continuing my end.


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What voltage are you getting on the relay coil?

In fully charged condition @ 11.4~11.5. Interested to see how yours might be doing. Remove starter relay, press start then check voltage in all 4 pins.

My theory is this:

With a weak battery the relay struggles to make contact. Then there is further drain soon as you press the start/stop that 11.5 drops even further.

I striped and cleaned JB-2 yesterday, all the 250A fuses removed and cleaned, now supply to all the breakouts should be good.
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It was 12volts or more or less whatever in the battery, same for the coil of the relay.

The solenoid on my starter had problems engaging, there was no clunk. New starter solved this issue.

Try measuring again with a reference form negative on the battery ( I.e. black lead from meter on battery negative)

Thats a reference point for me. Thank you

I am experimenting with the starting sequence, mind sharing your experience?

Push and hold Start Switch > Depress Brake Pedal

This should get more energy into the relay and solid contact at the solenoid, as rest of the systems are ready / booted up


Depress Brake Pedal > Push and hold Start Switch (normal)

There is a delay as the car is booting and starting at the same time


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Dean_C wrote:

It was 12volts or more or less whatever in the battery, same for the coil of the relay.

The solenoid on my starter had problems engaging, there was no clunk. New starter solved this issue.

Try measuring again with a reference form negative on the battery ( I.e. black lead from meter on battery negative)

And again

But for those rocks you could have pushed it into the sea

At least you have a nice view....

To keep you entertained whilst you wait for another recovery, let me share a story from my childhood.....

It is perhaps 1990 and we are heading to France on a family holiday, my Dad is driving his new Granada - a company car, that he'd had for about six weeks.

The exit ramp off the ferry in France was quite steep, we're going a bit fast and there is a bit of bump as the front wheels transition to a flat part of the ship.

The Granada cuts out and will not start. We are blocking the exit from the ferry, with maybe 100+ cars still behind us trying to get off......

We get towed to the side of the dock and dumped there. We have no AA cover and no mobile phone, but fortunately my Dad worked 20+ years for Michelin so speaks fantastic French

Being an old school kind of guy, my Dad was handy with the spanners and quickly ascertained the reason the car was not starting was because the fuel pump was not running

Unable to check fuses etc on the dockside, he blags a length of cable and some basic tools from somewhere and proceeds to wire the fuel pump up to the side lights. He turns of the side lights, turns the key and the car starts!

We spend the next two weeks driving around France with the side lights permanently on and probably traveled in excess of 1,000 miles before heading back to the UK!

When we get home my Dad books the Granada into the garage to be fixed. They agree it is the fuel pump and show him the emergency cut off switch in the boot, which simply needed reset after it cut off when bumping down the steep ramp off the ferry

My Dad was well miffed - it was probably the first vehicle he had owned with such a device and he simply didn't know to check it!!

Oh how we laughed  2007 Zermatt Silver TDV8 Vogue SE - now sold but was a great car!