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BBS SPY



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There is some sort of reed switch inside the venture cam, which only activates when in a docking station.


Sadly it seems it is a bit more complex than a simple reed switch.

Not so long ago, i got involved with looking at laptop batteries. It seems it is pretty standard for them to have a control chip in them, which has a serial EEPROM memory chip attached. This holds all kinds of info, like manufactured date, calibration info, current charge, charge cycle count, maximum / minimum voltages, ampage, Cell make up, Temperature info, serial number and manufacturer info and so on. More than enough data to fill an A4 page.

The chip also has a standardized data connection, through which the Bios of a Laptop can access this information before deciding if it wants to power up the laptop using it, charge it, or flash annoying Led's because it thinks the battery is too old or has been re charged more often than it thinks is acceptable.
That's why laptop batteries have so many pins.

Annoyingly these chips also control Mosfets that control and regulate the supply of power to the batteries for recharging and unless the Laptops Bios gives the all clear and supplies power to the Pins, the control chip won't switch the Mosfets on, even if you manually supply the charging voltage.

I have managed to reprogram the EEprom contents of batteries to convince the Laptops they have a new battery installed and thus resurrect non working batteries, but this is not easy.

I strongly suspect that the venture cams have the same kind of technology in them and while they just appear to have 2 sprung loaded pins, if you look closely you will see that there is also a small Black looking oval window. This is the Infra Red port that allows data exchange between the docking / charging unit and the sealed Venture Cam. 2003 4.4 HSE

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Blubberman



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Hi ,

I had problems with my venture cam which appeared to be dead , no lights etc , so I also bought one off ebay which was fully charged on arrival but would not connect to the car systems . Not wanting to damage the "new" one off ebay , I opened up the case of the original one to have a look inside , and found it to be powered by some nicads .
They use 6 AA size nicads to power the unit , so I bought 6 AA rechargeable nicads from the pound shop , wired them in series to give the required 7.2 volt battery pack and attached the flying leads which power the electronics. The camera then powered up ok , but would still not connect to the car system .


The fault turned out to be the docking unit , there was power to the PCB inside the docking unit , but no power on the pins to the venture cam , so the PCB must have been goosed . No Physical damage , but no way of testing the PCB because they use SMT components . I am not sure but I think the docking station also incorporates the bluetooth receiver , because there is a small coax cable attached to the docking atation .

A new docking station was fitted at the dealers ( The Beast was still under warranty but the dealer didn't want to fit a new docking station until I threw my toys out of the pram , but thats another story Smile

As far as I can make out , I think the venture cam is fed with 12v from the docking station , which is dropped down to a lower voltage inside the venture cam to charge the batteries .

I then had 2 working venture cams , but the picture from the ebay camera was much worse than the picture from the original . Traced fault to dodgy ribbon cable from CCd camera PCB to main board .

Then the biggest laugh , found that anything over 5 mph turns off the camera , and I wanted it for seeing behind me when towing the caravan . Dealer refused to configure it - total waste of time and effort !

The process of getting the camera to talk to the car systems is a little tricky , I always refer to the handbook when trying to get them to communicate . ( just used for reversing onto the caravan tow hitch now )

Cheers

Hope this helps

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hi bubberman, if you have been through this post you will find that i have brought a number of these venture cams back to life, i would love to see inside one as i have never had to cut one open, did you just run a craft knife around it Question do you have any pics, the cam transmits on 2.4ghz and does use bluetooth to talk to the car
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Strangely enough, my venture cam now shows it's charging after not doing anything since I got the car 5 weeks ago. The funny thing now is that it says it's charging, and has done so for hours, but when I take it out of the cradlea nd switch it on, it only work for about 5 seconds and switches off again? When I put it back in the cradle, the ring around the power button comes on for about 5 seconds and goes off again. All the while the camera is hot to the touch?
Anyboy got any ideas what's going on? Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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sounds like the cells have changed polarity, give it a jump start with 12v if nothing 14v dont go mad or you will blow the board up in side... V8 facelift Range Rover Autobiography 22" wheels.
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To open up the case of the venture cam , just lever it apart gently with a screwdriver . The case is held on by a bead of RTV sealant to make it watertight , so opening it up will break the seal so you will either have to reseal it ( probably not a good idea to use silicone sealant due to the acetic acid it contains which may corrode the circuit board) .

If replacing the batteries , it is probably a good idea to buy some tagged batteries ( ones you can solder on to ) instead of standard aa nicads because the width when soldered is slightly longer than tagged batteries and may distort the case slightly when refitted .

IMHO , with reference to Daveo's post , it will probably be a really bad idea to reverse the polarity to the venture cam due to the PCB piggy backed onto the batteries .The charging current flows through the board before it goes to the batteries , and I am fairly confident that some component willl go bang if the polarity is reversed .

Remember , nicads only have a certain life span , and for a 7 year old car like mine , with the batteries on constant charge in the docking station , their life will probably not be more than 2 or 3 years before they degrade .


Many Thanks

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oh well , that didnt work , good job I am better with electronics than forums Smile

What have I done wrong ?

I uploaded them to photobox Big Cry

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hi, you have miss understood me, of course dont reverse the power to the unit, yes something would pop. dont mess around with the cradle.....just the cam unit it self...
as you have cut it open what i said makes very little point any way as you have accessed the batteries any way

on the venture cam unit it self when it is left uncharged for a long time the cells can fall below there voltage limit,this can cause a single cell to flip/reverse its polarity and stop the other batteries working or taking a charge.
if a charge is applied it can cause that cell to get hot...

you can flip that cell back to the right polarity by jumping it with a quick voltage of slightly higher voltage,i.e. 14 or 16v and then cycle the batteries, if the cells are beyond taking a charge then yes you may as well cut it open as you have nothing to loose,

if you look at the venture cam at the back you will see 2 round brass contacts, holding it with the cam at the top the left one is the +12v live V8 facelift Range Rover Autobiography 22" wheels.
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Hi Daveo ,

Thanks for the reply , but I did not mis-understand you . I was not referring to the dock , I was talking about the camera itself . The contacts on the back of the Camera do not go directly to the battery , they go to the board mounted on top of the battery , this board then feeds the power to the batteries , so , yes , if you reverse the polarity on the contacts on the back of the camera you will probably do some damage . If I can post the pics , you will be able to see what I am on about . It is an unusual way of doing things and I was confused when first opened uo the camera too.


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you have the image command around the wrong way....[img] then [/img] V8 facelift Range Rover Autobiography 22" wheels.
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Cheers Daveo , think I am starting to get it now

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Finally got the hang of it , thanks Daveo Very Happy Its big , its black and we call it THE BEAST !

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