What were Land Rover thinking ??? What is the most popular trailer in the country yes you guessed it an Ifor Williams therefore why sell a tow bar to low to attach to one.

As some of you might know I have only just replaced my trusty old P38 with a fullfat and I am starting to sort some bits and pieces out, fullfat sticker on, crappy removable towbar off and fit a proper one.

The UE standard for towball height is between 14 and 16.5 inches from the floor to the centre line of the ball. If yours is inside those measurements then the trailer isthe non-conforming item. I have the farmer's hitch like you and on the top set of holes with a regular towball mine sits at just under 16 inches.

is your FF in standard suspension mode NW ? ... - .- -.




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I honestly have not put a tape measure on it, but I know the Tri axle Ifor is bang level behind the 90 and I have to drop the hitch 2 holes for the Indespension Tow a Van, the difference in the height in that picture is 60mm that's a lot the trailer would be running on its front axle. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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stan wrote:

is your FF in standard suspension mode NW ?

I hate my farmers hitch tower, the number of tarmac trenches I have managed to dig are unbelievable. Anyone wanting to swap for a QR hitch?

noworries4x4 wrote:

I honestly have not put a tape measure on it, but I know the Tri axle Ifor is bang level behind the 90 and I have to drop the hitch 2 holes for the Indespension Tow a Van, the difference in the height in that picture is 60mm that's a lot the trailer would be running on its front axle.

Mine seems to work fine on the top setting for both Ifor Williams and MasterCraft

47p2 wrote:

I hate my farmers hitch tower, the number of tarmac trenches I have managed to dig are unbelievable. Anyone wanting to swap for a QR hitch?

Alistair wrote:

Mine seems to work fine on the top setting for both Ifor Williams and MasterCraft

You have an EU trailer there. Mine is on a US trailer with hydraulic brakes and the ride height is a lot higher. Gimme a sec and I'll dig out a pic.

Here, you can just make out the master cylinder on the hitch. That runs at almost 18 inches off the floor to the centre of the ball.

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Mines a U.S. trailer - 2" ball, hydraulic brakes and no handbrake

Yours actually looks like it was modified to sit higher - mine just runs straight from the horizontal trailer box section.

noworries4x4 wrote:

Strangely there is one For Sale in the For Sale section, some one is interested already so you can have second dibbs if you want.

I really don't want to buy one if I can do a straight swap



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No, not modified but not box section either. It's all made of C section steel. As I imported it from the States about 15 years ago. All I've ever done is service the brakes.

And the FF set in standard ride height and caravan height set of holes on the hitch...........

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Here's mine - seems to sit at the right height on the top setting of the farmers hitch

noworries4x4 wrote:

What were Land Rover thinking ??? What is the most popular trailer in the country yes you guessed it an Ifor Williams therefore why sell a tow bar to low to attach to one.

As some of you might know I have only just replaced my trusty old P38 with a fullfat and I am starting to sort some bits and pieces out, fullfat sticker on, crappy removable towbar off and fit a proper one.


So its back off the car and as I don't have a decent pillar drill at home or 16.5mm drill bits its off to the firm that does all our fabrication work this week for some more holes, might get them to cut the bottom off as well as it is a bit low / plough.

Any way in the for sale section anybody want a removable towbar and receiver c/w cubby hole converter to keep it in.

Completely agree. Drilling two more holes further up sorts it though (there's a huge difference between towing a double axle trailer with a slightly too low hitch to a tri-axle). Mine was horrific on the motorway and very unstable even when loaded.

While you're at it get them to build up the farmer hitch with some weld and then machine it back so it is a snug fit in the holster. Once you've used the tow bar you'll notice you can move it up / down / sideway a few mm and it hammers something awful in the car. I built mine up and it's now very snug with zero movement after several thousand miles towing the tri-axle.

Two holes drilled further up and the bottom but off to neaten things up and now the tri-axle is a stable as it should be (even with 6 round bales of haylage aboard)

Good luck!