I have owned my first RR 2013 L405 since November last year. Car has had a few problems, dash turning of. Sat nav gps failing. All of these problems have eventually been fixed but only after I switched garage.
The problem which is not getting resolved, as dealers and range rover customer services either don't understand the problem or can't change the software is with the map or guidance when on a motorway.

When you are on a motorway and you have the motorway junction list showing on the right hand side of the screen, all motorway connecting junctions are missing. So M6 junction 8 for the m5 will not be listed. M5 junction 9 to the M50 will not be listed etc etc etc. M25-M40 / M25-M3 / M25-M1. Not only is this frustrating but very dangerous and giving us a bad name. When you are using guidance, the sat nav gives you less than 1 miles notice that your junction is next and you are tempted to swerve across three lanes of traffic or miss your exit.

Come on land rover, you are better than this!!!

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Sounds pretty poor I have a 2003 Vogue with, in comparison a very 'old hat' Sat Nav system which gives plenty of notice Now: BMW 640d M Sport, Alpine White
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No issues for me, but then I do have a Mark-one Eyeball, a sense of direction, a helping of common sense and the general ability to get myself from A to B without involving much more than the aforementioned.

I even used to manage it back in the 1970's in a Ford Anglia 105e. Can't remember what sat-nav model that had in it.

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agreed, rely on just the say nav and you'll end up in some ones pond.. ... - .- -.




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I tend to rely on my sat nav a lot in places that are not familiar. Did so in Germany, France (La Defence in Paris !!!), some remote parts of Holland and Eurotunnel to Heathrow last week. The MY2010 did a great job for me and apart from some very minor stuff (luckily in a part of Holland that I have been to before) it did very well.

I tend to really keep an eye on where the next turn off is so I can be in the correct lane on time as I prefer to drive/ride in the lane that gives me the most following distance. So late indication of the exit can be an issue.

Of course you can plan the route by maps and all that but to be honest, why have a nav system if you need to use maps as well. Besides, on a motorbike they are crap and dangerous anyway and requiring to stop by the side of the road on a regular basis which is also not something that is necessarily safe to do.

From experience with a lot of different nav systems (motorbikes and (rental) cars) I can say, none of them is perfect but all of them are a lot better than what is described by the OP.

In case the system does muck up and give me the exit too late, I prefer to keep going and let it do the re-routing thing, rather than swerve through traffic "to make it". Although it sometimes is hard to fight the urge to make it to the exit anyway.

I don't use maps anymore, other than Google Maps to plan a trip in the beginning or use a pre-routing tool like TYRE (Dutch guy developed this pre-planning tool for bikers to plan their route on the electronic map and than transfer it to the TomTom).

In short, JLR needs to sort out their Sat Nav systems asap, including getting more (Navteq) maps that work on these systems (I still find it bloody ridiculous that we can't even get most of Africa or places like Singapore and Malaysia on JLR Sat Nav, while the Navteq maps exist). MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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[quote="jasoneite"]Not only is this frustrating but very dangerous and giving us a bad name. When you are using guidance, the sat nav gives you less than 1 miles notice that your junction is next and you end [/quote]

I would suggest that it is not Land Rover 'giving us a bad name' but the person sat in the drivers seat relying 100% on the sat nav!
Have you ever driven a car that is not equipped with it? On all motorways you will discover that there are big things called 'signs' that give you lots of warning of approaching junctions!

What did you drive before your first Range Rover? BMW, Audi?

What is this forum for if you can't comment on things in a car that you pay for but don't work. Of course there are signs but we are in the uk and the signs are not always that good. I like to know that I have 2 - 3 miles to go before the junction. Most motorway signs tell you in 1 mile. I can only assume from your comments that you work for land rover customer services and you also don't really understand what I am talking about. My car before wasn't a BMW or AUDI. I am sure you are sarcastically saying they are bad drivers.

I had a very boring car before this, a Lexus. Boring because it just worked!!!!!! I have to say though there is something better about the RR.

Well I can say in my 3 years of ownership this hasn't really caused me a problem, I certainly hadn't noticed any missing junctions and this issue hasn't cost me any money (unlike lots of other things on my RR).

Its probably worth noting that the sat nag I had on my both my mercs missed out completely the M42 suggesting I was of road and my Audi always recommended a detour off the motorway in the Midlands.

I think all at Sat Navs have foibles but on balance are generally useful.

I think sarcasm is invited if you refer to them as "dangerous" that would be like calling SWMBO dangerous when she shoo's me out of the kitchen whilst brandishing a 10" blade - its just normal  Geoff

Jason,
Yeah, probably was a tad sarcastic, but if you use the phrase 'dangerous - all models' on something which is not really dangerous, you are leaving yourself wide open!

I dont work for Land Rover customer services, but have owner 5 Range Rovers over a period of roughly 20 years and in general tend not to use sat-nav on any car (well OK once on a rental Audi A7 in Paris to get through La Defense and out to LeMans), I do like to deliberately set a route on a sat-nave when I'm home in the UK then take a different route (one which I know well) and see how the sat-nav copes! Usually it tells me to do a U-turn!

The point I was trying to get across was that you shouldnt depend 100% on Sat-Navs but use your own eyes to look at road maps and motorway signage (and they give you way more than a mile's notice of junctions).

Here is a perfect example:

Four women had to be rescued when their car turned off a coastal road and plunged into the sea – after the driver followed directions from a sat nav.

The holidaymakers, from London, were attempting to find a seaside village pub in Angle, near Pembroke, west Wales, in the dark when the device instructed them to turn right.

They travelled past a sign saying ‘No Through Road’, before their hire car suddenly fell into the sea

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Paul, i have to say my sense of direction is rubbish! Does not come naturally to me So, i semi rely on my Nav... I also look at these things through the eyes of people like my parents Now, give my mum a satnav and she would drive into the sea (then blame it) you know the type... So, she follows a map or prefers to take a train... My point is, not everyone has a great sense of direction sir... (a bit like James May )

So it was a little over exaggeration on my part calling dangerous but having used several types of sat navy's in cars and bikes as a guide have only ever experienced this problem with this sat nav, I do use signs and judge junction distances fairly well, but why miss some junctions. I would rather they didn't give the information at all and miss all junctions, at least you wouldn't be trying to second guess what the sat Nav is trying to tell you.

I've had some embarrassing times in the past following a sat Nav, in Denmark ended up going through some lady's garden (while she was weeding) to get to an industrial estate. Might as well fill the glove box with paper maps rather than fitting one.

Heading changed just for you Paul.......

Maybe you're right Craig. My Mrs certainly doesn't have a decent sense of direction but if she's undertaking a long road trip on unfamiliar roads she makes some notes and takes an atlas. Mostly the atlas never sees the light of day but it's there just in case it's needed.

Overall I would say the most dangerous thing about Sat-Nav is that people actually believe it. I really would love to know how much fuel is wasted each year due to SN mis-direction.

Maybe I'm fortunate but I know pretty much how to get to most places in the UK without NAV. I look at google maps before I go, get an idea of where it is generally and mentally pick a route. I don't think you need much of a sense of direction to know how to do that, e.g. driving west on the M4 and Swindon is on the right, London is behind you and so on. So if I want to get to Portsmouth I need to turn left and head south.

All I think the Nav is good for is that it saves having street level maps of every town in the UK. That last couple of miles in finding addresses is very helpful, especially in towns like Milton Keynes where it all looks the same. It's fantastic for that, oh and sometimes the TMC information is actually up to date as well so it can save you from a queue or two, assuming you have some vague idea of an alternative route that is. Ah well.......

Some good points! Especially about Milton Keynes and La Defense (where I work!), I once had to be talked in on a mobile (before sat-nav) at Milton Keynes to find an office!

I guess I'm old school, having been driving now since 1973 so still prefer to use the old-fangled maps, but have used sat-nav, but don't rely on it 100% but if it is fitted then I agree it should be accurate!