Ordered and fitted the ones from JPHC's link above and no errors and working fine (2004) only thing is I think the bulbs that were in there may have already been uprated by a previous owner as the light output is actually slightly down (but only a bit) however they are a nice white so that's good

Did a bit of an upgrade on my reversing lights last night, no expense spared, I used a couple of these I had sitting around from a mod I did on my last truck, sick of hearing all these people banging on about their puddle lights in their mirrors I decided to add my own to keep up with the posh pack.




Anyway, these were the lights I used, paid about £5 for 10 of them I think, http://www.ebay.ie/itm/2pcs-9W-LED-Light-C...rmvSB=true

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psgk wrote:

I also bought a set of these on the basis of JPHC's posted information. It looks as if the Auction Details have been updated to indicate that they may throw up bulb failure errors so no chance now of a refund.

I don't have a IIDTool to disable the bulb failure warning system so I'm sticking with the uprated standard type bulbs I obtained from Hungary

As an alternative to the lens warping 21 watt bulbs I have fitted these as a straight swap for standard bulbs
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160858588020?_tr...BIDX%3AIT. Correct off set pins so no messing with holders.
They are only an increase of 4 watts each but combined give a total output 20W (close to a normal car reversing bulb) and have made a noticeable difference as in the pics below

Standard 6W Bulbs.

Right hand with new 10W bulb

Both with 10W Bulb

Lighting up my approach to the garage

Much better levels at night now - at least I can see and the slight increase in wattage wont harm the lens. I'm on the hunt now for a 14W version but at the mo this is an easy upgrade for those that want a simple replacement

That's all OK if you want to see slightly better, but there is no substitute for LED's, they have a much higher light output.. the Law states the maximum wattage that a given bulb can be, but it was written in the time of normal incandescent bulbs... Manufacturers soon discovered that they could increase the light output with the use of Halogen bulbs, and then HID bulbs... But they are no match to an LED which is much higher in output.. this chart shows the different wattages for the same brightness, and although it's for household bulbs , it shows just how much brighter an LED is..

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My reversing light lenses are a complete mess now from the 21w bulbs its even melted a hole in the o/s one. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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hamlet wrote:

Did a bit of an upgrade on my reversing lights last night, no expense spared, I used a couple of these I had sitting around from a mod I did on my last truck, sick of hearing all these people banging on about their puddle lights in their mirrors I decided to add my own to keep up with the posh pack.



And this is how them look........





I've only fitted 2 of them but it's certainly an improvement, and wouldn't be much of a job to fit another 2.

They're relatively neat but could obviously be fitted straight into the bumper if desired, although with a yellow/white background they might stand out a bit, I just didn't want to go drilling too many holes.

Good point, I suppose anyone going down the route of adding extra lights could wire in a separate switch, even an on/off/reverse switch and run them as working lights..

I'm not sure what the law is in regards to this in Ireland, most FFRR's over here are subject to an NCT which is the equivalent to the MOT for passenger vehicles, however my FFRR is classifies as crewcab or commercial so it's subject to a different annual test, a CVRT which I think has different criteria, perhaps allowing extra lighting since it's commercial.

I guess I'll know for sure when it's due the test in April, but I'm pretty sure I've had extra lights fitted to previous crewcabs I've had and never had a problem, I'm pretty friendly with my tester and often stay in the workshop during the test so if it's a problem it will soon be sorted with a snips, but I appreciate the advice and hope I didn't mislead anyone with this idea.

Reverse lights are not a testable under the mot and thus you can't be failed whether or not they are working or even if you don't have them at all. You can fit as many reverse lights as you like as long as the individual bulbs comply with the wattage requirement, easily done with led bulbs.
I have my additional reverse lights switched so they only come on when the car side lights are on, the original lights are OK during the day.

Not quite - the Road Vehicles Lighting Regs 1989 (which are still valid I believe) deals with Reversing Lights which it defines as " a lamp used to illuminate the road to the rear of a vehicle for the purpose of reversing and to warn other road users that the vehicle is reversing or about to".

It is an Optional lamp and therefore not covered by Reg 23 which deals with the maintenance in good and working order.

Schedule 14 list the characteristics:

Number - Not more than two
Position - no requirement
Size of illuminated area - no requirement
Colour - white
Wattage: no requirement if displaying an approved mark otherwise one lamp not to exceed 24 watts
Tel-tale - Only required if light is not automatically activated by selection of reverse gear.

Thats the legal bit - having said that as they're not tested you could get away with more providing the beak never stop you for a vehicle check (v. unlikely).

So if your going to stay within the law either fit new LED's in the existing lamps or fit 2 x 24 watt max LED spots and remove the bulbs from the original lamps... You don't need to be fitting secret squirrel concealed switches and the like, if your that worried about the law, and they wont give a hoot unless you've been a bad boy , fit the spots and disable the candle glow effect lights that LR fitted  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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been reading through this topic and using info from several members and looking around I have found these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-COB-6W-LED-Wh...SwuAVWw9~Z

Which are 28W halogen

Do people think that they are bright enough as an upgrade. Regards
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They are what I used on my car, only I used 2 panels per light.. but I needed that because my car was factory tint and being pre 2004 included the front windows

A word of warning to you and others who have later cars with AGM batteries... the voltage of the car is 14.7 not 14.1 and this is too much for the those LED's I know, fitted them to a 2011 car and watched them go up in smoke, literally To get around this problem we installed some 12v regulator chips in the lights too (and some new LED panels ) , and they didn't even get warm  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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Thanks miggit. do you have a link to the regulators ?? Regards
Mark

2012 Westminster
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I'm fairly sure that they were these http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/l78s12cv-2a-posi...ator-uj56l Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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