It wouldn't let me upgrade to 5 until I had upgraded i-Tunes to the latest.......... Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
Had- 2008 TDV8 Vogue SE in Java black
Had - 2007 S/C in Stornoway Grey

Alan, if it is taking so long to back up it sounds like your phone is sending data to apple. Due to the servers being very busy this slows down the process. Search google for turning off sending data to apple and your backups will be much much faster.

Sorry can't remember how to do it now - too much Rioja

My pad and phones updated fine

just cannot get my head round the " I Message feature " which i though would replace Viber etc but i cannot see how it works  Far to many gone...

Do you mean the iMessage service on the iPad ….

on both ipad and iphone Far to many gone...

My understanding of it is that with the iPad you can send message / pictures to someone else who has a wifi connection and not a contract sim in their iPad

Plus you have to activate iMessage in your settings ...

agh ok i read it was using icloud servers to send direct message to message - device to device when a wifi signal is being used on Iphone , Ipad or Itouch

got it enabled on both but 1 how to get to it and 2 how to default it so you can see if u r sending a txt message or a i-message Far to many gone...

Once you have enabled iMessage then you go to messages and press on new message then on the + button you add the contact by number or email and if that contact has iMessage too the name will turn from green to blue and viola! you're using iMessage

awesome thanks that makes more sense  Far to many gone...