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filthyliam



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Front diff recall

Hi all

wonder if someone could help

I am looking at purchasing a 4.4V8 vogue 53 plate subject to it passing an inspection at maindealer. When i gave them the reg for this vehicle they rang back and left a message on my phone saying that it hadnt had the recall work done. I know this costs nothing to me but i have a couple of questions.

1 what does the recal entail ie what is changed
2 am i right in thinking this wouldnt have been picked up by non maindealer servicing which it appears to have had
3 will it have done much damage on a vehicle of this age with 60k mileage not having it done until now

PS Landrover said there are no bits in the country at the moment to do this anyway so iwont have it for weekend anyway !

thanks in advance

Post #84392 28th Sep 2011 12:29pm
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GregP



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Hi there

Welcome to forum

I had recall done on mine 3-4 months ago. I am not sure exactly what they do but I am sure someone else will be able to shed some light on that. I do know that it should have done no damage to other parts, so no worries there.
Yes, you're right, a non land rover dealer would not have picked up the need for recall.

Good luck with the purchase Thumbs Up FFRR TD6 HSE
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Post #84393 28th Sep 2011 12:32pm
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dannyp15



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United Kingdom 2004 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 V8 Alaska White

A front differential would normally be expected to last the life of the vehicle, but on the new Range Rover introduced in 2002 it was a major failure item. The problem lay in the design of the front driveshaft, which had no flexible coupling at the front end, so any minor misalignment put severe stress on the front diff input splines, leading to failure and immobilization of the vehicle. In 2006 the problem was solved (by a redesigned front drive shaft/prop shaft) on the updated model introduced in that year, but the 2002-2005 models were left unchanged. Until early 2008 there was still no safety recall or redesign of the components involved, although more than one service bulletin had been produced on the subject and temporary fixes in the form of realignment of the front diff/driveshaft connection were implemented.


on the 2002-2005 models with redesigned parts incorporating a CV joint at the front end as well as the existing flexible joint at the rear. This brought the design into line with the one used on the 2006 & up.

Post #84394 28th Sep 2011 12:36pm
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nicedayforit



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England 2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6 Giverny Green

There is an argument that if a car has got to 60k without any diff failure problem then there isn't a problem.
As it was a mis-alignment problem not all cars suffered the problem, some were obviously aligned correctly at manufacture.
Might be a case of leaving well alone.

Post #84433 28th Sep 2011 2:55pm
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ric355



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nicedayforit wrote:
There is an argument that if a car has got to 60k without any diff failure problem then there isn't a problem.
As it was a mis-alignment problem not all cars suffered the problem, some were obviously aligned correctly at manufacture.
Might be a case of leaving well alone.


Just to be clear, it isn't the diff that fails. It is the propshaft to diff connection splined joint that fails. This may necessitate a replacement or repair to the diff as the spline is obviously on a shaft that leads to the input pinion on the diff.

My car ran to 71k miles without being done, but when I took ownership of it I wanted it done for peace of mind. I understand the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" argument but I don't subscribe to it personally. There's no way you can tell if it is going to fail until it actually does. The replacement joint accounts for any misalignment no matter how slight, so once done (assuming the mechanic is competent) it should be at its most reliable thereafter.

Post #84496 28th Sep 2011 8:13pm
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cliffy



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How do i check if mine has had recall work doen do i just ring the dealer?

thanks
neil

Post #84497 28th Sep 2011 8:15pm
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ric355



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cliffy wrote:
How do i check if mine has had recall work doen do i just ring the dealer?

thanks
neil


Do you know what a CV joint looks like? Pictures on this page: http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/d...ecall.html

The first photo is what it looks like after it has been done. The CV joint is the shiny bit with the bolts in. There are pictures of old and new on that page to compare with.

Put your suspension in off road mode, leave the drivers door open, and look underneath. Follow the front propshaft toward where it enters the diff.

Post #84498 28th Sep 2011 8:28pm
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cliffy



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ric355 wrote:
cliffy wrote:
How do i check if mine has had recall work doen do i just ring the dealer?

thanks
neil


Do you know what a CV joint looks like? Pictures on this page: http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/d...ecall.html

The first photo is what it looks like after it has been done. The CV joint is the shiny bit with the bolts in. There are pictures of old and new on that page to compare with.

Put your suspension in off road mode, leave the drivers door open, and look underneath. Follow the front propshaft toward where it enters the diff.


cheers dude, ill have a look tomorrow

Post #84507 28th Sep 2011 9:12pm
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GregP



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Or you can just call your local dealer and give them the VIN. FFRR TD6 HSE
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Post #84514 28th Sep 2011 10:06pm
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SteveMFr
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GregP wrote:
Or you can just call your local dealer and give them the VIN.

TBH, head-sticking-under is faster (at least in the case of my dealers) Laughing

To answer your questions completely, Liam:
1. the entire diff is replaced. It's just the input shaft that's a prob, but it can't be replaced w/o a complete diff rebuild so replacement is cheaper.
2. an indy shop should have known about this as it is a major prob w/the earlier L322. That said, I'm sure there are many competent mechanics who are not complete LR nutters and might not know about recalls, tsb's and the like. And, only a dealer would replace for free - obviously.
3. no damage to any parts aside possibly from the input shaft on the diff - which is replaced.

While there is a consensus that if it's going to fail it will be w/in the first 50k miles, I would def have it done. Not only for peace of mind but also for resale value. 
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Post #84526 29th Sep 2011 7:05am
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ric355



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SteveMFr wrote:

1. the entire diff is replaced.


That's not correct for the pure recall work.

They basically swap the propshaft for one that is in two parts which are connected by a CV joint. The only reason to change the diff (or the splined input shaft to the diff) is if a failure has occurred before the recall due to misalignment.

Parts:

1 LR008102 SHAFT ASSY - DRI
1 LR007758 FLANGE - COUPLING
1 LR008106 HEAT SHIELD
1 LR008114 KIT - HARDWARE
2 TKE000040 CIRCLIP
1 568680 STRAP - CABLE

Fluids

1 LRN7951 OIL - ENGINE
1 STC50550/10 RVT SEALANT
2 LRN2261 FLUID - POWER AS
1 ROBC BRAKE CLEAN
3 SYNGEAR SYNTHETIC GEAR OIL

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SteveMFr
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Thanks, ric, live & learn. I was under the impression the diff would be swapped out too. Only when damaged then? Mine got a new diff... Shortly before failure? Confused 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s
(wife thinks I'm nuts - prob right, too)

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Pauld



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United Kingdom 2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6 Zermatt Silver

Mine had 8 replacements, prior to the recall.

I do recall having the whole diff replaced for the recall one, but I may be wrong.

Post #84589 29th Sep 2011 2:58pm
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