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stan Site Moderator Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: a moderate moderated moderator moderating moderately in moderation Posts: 35486 ![]() ![]() |
this then boils down to [also what dan said] whether you can afford to buy winter tyres and wheels..i personally had no problems last winter running on extra wide 295/45/20 tyres but i'll have to agree to disagree that fitting winter tyres on a range is worthwhile.. |
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dan_uk_1984 Member Since: 12 Nov 2008 Location: Bude, Cornwall Posts: 4014 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I dont think anyone's saying they are no good - merely whether they are needed or not (down to personal requirement). Personally I tend to push the car, even in the snow and ice because I like to know where its limits are. I have never thought "hmmm, I am seriously lacking grip here" The day I do, I will go and buy some snow tyres. Or slow down! ![]() ![]() |
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wackyjim Member Since: 11 Aug 2010 Location: Brigadoon Posts: 2015 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Couldn't agree more Vogue!!!...Last year with the RRS on Conti's almost wiped out 3 kids on a pavement when I touched the brakes (2-3mph)going down a slight slope packed with hard snow the car slid right across and bounced off the kerb ![]() ![]() |
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drakes Member Since: 26 Jan 2009 Location: Consett Posts: 371 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Vogue
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Gazellio @ Prestige Cars Member Since: 22 Jan 2010 Location: Chilterns, UK Posts: 11309 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
on ICE I am pretty sure that the Wintracs soft Silica Compound will work better but on fresh snow the AT2's will also work very well. |
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dan_uk_1984 Member Since: 12 Nov 2008 Location: Bude, Cornwall Posts: 4014 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Like for like. ![]() |
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wackyjim Member Since: 11 Aug 2010 Location: Brigadoon Posts: 2015 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not sure what your trying to say here dan?...comparing conti's (summer tyres) with Wintrac's on a RRS in the same winter conditions and at the same location that almost cost the lives of 3 kids is a like for like comparison and I can tell you the extra grip is like night and day simple as that!!! If by using winter tyres reduces even by a small margin the risk of an accident then IMO it fully justifies the cost of fitting them!! |
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dan_uk_1984 Member Since: 12 Nov 2008 Location: Bude, Cornwall Posts: 4014 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The comparrison of a FFRR and a RRS. I thought that was clear by my use of bold. Personally I've never managed to skid out of control at 2-3mph! Plus, I doubt the kids would have died - at 3mph they could have just walked slightly faster to get out of the way ![]() Staying at home reduces the risk of having an accident by a HUGE margin - but then I like to live life on the edge! I can only go my personal experience: Down a very steep hill: Up a very steep hill: Both hills deceptively steep. Going up the hill, I had already been up there a couple of times, and I was just having a play on the ice, with approaches etc. Climbing was on barely legal wranglers on 3 days of snow & ice ![]() |
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wackyjim Member Since: 11 Aug 2010 Location: Brigadoon Posts: 2015 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
[quote="dan_uk_1984"]
FFRR, RRS, Disco...Owned and driven them all..they are all 2.5 tons of motor car with high centres of gravity which will handle like Torvill and Dean on ice if your not careful!!....Winter tyres IMO helps Your statement regarding hitting somebody at 2-3mph in an uncontrolled slide with a car like an RRS and not causing death almost verges on being flippant but is perhaps on balance correct .. the risk of serious injury regardless of speed is still valid. You like to "live life on the edge" ...Fine |
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dan_uk_1984 Member Since: 12 Nov 2008 Location: Bude, Cornwall Posts: 4014 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think you missed my point - 2mph is less than walking pace.
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wackyjim Member Since: 11 Aug 2010 Location: Brigadoon Posts: 2015 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't think I missed your point dan...I respect your opinion and I'm happy with mine |
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dan_uk_1984 Member Since: 12 Nov 2008 Location: Bude, Cornwall Posts: 4014 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Gazellio @ Prestige Cars Member Since: 22 Jan 2010 Location: Chilterns, UK Posts: 11309 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Softer Compound Winter Tyres are safer on ice as shorter stopping distance and much greater grip even if summer tyres are OK/good. [full stop] |
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rwilson Member Since: 17 Jan 2011 Location: London Posts: 84 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My Wintrac 4's arrive tomorrow. Will put them on a second set of 19" wheels. I've got them so the FF is equipped for it 2 trips to the Alps. The belt and braces approach ensures that we will have a warm winter and rubbish to snow to ski on!!!!
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