tboner001 wrote:

Got to disagree the winter tyres work better on crunchy stuff and ice that is where they are so much better than all weather / standard hard rubber , if you want just deep snow then a big block open tread like a grabber will work

I have several Range Rovers, fitted with a mix of AT, MT and Winter Tyres.

Anybody who doubts how good speciailised winter tyres are are in snow and ice obviously hasn't used them.

Vogue wrote:

I have several Range Rovers, fitted with a mix of AT, MT and Winter Tyres.

Anybody who doubts how good speciailised winter tyres are are in snow and ice obviously hasn't used them.

I dont think anyone's saying they are no good - merely whether they are needed or not (down to personal requirement).

Personally I tend to push the car, even in the snow and ice because I like to know where its limits are. I have never thought "hmmm, I am seriously lacking grip here"

The day I do, I will go and buy some snow tyres. Or slow down!

 

Vogue wrote:

I have several Range Rovers, fitted with a mix of AT, MT and Winter Tyres.

Anybody who doubts how good speciailised winter tyres are are in snow and ice obviously hasn't used them.

Couldn't agree more Vogue!!!...Last year with the RRS on Conti's almost wiped out 3 kids on a pavement when I touched the brakes (2-3mph)going down a slight slope packed with hard snow the car slid right across and bounced off the kerb ...Bought Wintracs and tried the same thing 6 weeks later when we had the same conditions WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!! Winter tyres are potential life savers JUST GET THEM!!!!!! RRS.FFRR,DISCO are all top heavy and do not deal well with packed snow or ice believe me!!!

Vogue
I would be interested to know how you think ATs compare with something like Wintracs as last winter I found my 90 on AT2s to be much better on the snow and ice than the FF on Wintracs but obviously not a direct comparison due to the different weights of the vehicles.
I am trying to decide when I get new tyres this winter if I get a new set of Wintracs or go for the new General AT, I am running standard 19" size.
Anybody elses opinion is also welcome.

Keith 2010 3.6TDV8 Stornoway Grey/ Black interior - gone
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1998 4.6HSE Blue/ Cream interior (can't remember exact colours) - gone
1977 White - gone (should have kept)

on ICE I am pretty sure that the Wintracs soft Silica Compound will work better but on fresh snow the AT2's will also work very well.

wackyjim wrote:

Last year with the RRS on Conti's almost wiped out 3 kids

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dan_uk_1984 wrote:

wackyjim wrote:

Last year with the RRS on Conti's almost wiped out 3 kids

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wackyjim wrote:

dan_uk_1984 wrote:

wackyjim wrote:

Last year with the RRS on Conti's almost wiped out 3 kids

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Not sure what your trying to say here dan?

The comparrison of a FFRR and a RRS. I thought that was clear by my use of bold.

Personally I've never managed to skid out of control at 2-3mph! Plus, I doubt the kids would have died - at 3mph they could have just walked slightly faster to get out of the way

Staying at home reduces the risk of having an accident by a HUGE margin - but then I like to live life on the edge!

I can only go my personal experience:

Down a very steep hill:

Up a very steep hill:

Both hills deceptively steep. Going up the hill, I had already been up there a couple of times, and I was just having a play on the ice, with approaches etc. Climbing was on barely legal wranglers on 3 days of snow & ice 

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wackyjim wrote:

dan_uk_1984 wrote:

wackyjim wrote:

Last year with the RRS on Conti's almost wiped out 3 kids

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Not sure what your trying to say here dan?quote]

The comparrison of a FFRR and a RRS. I thought that was clear by my use of bold.

Personally I've never managed to skid out of control at 2-3mph! Plus, I doubt the kids would have died - at 3mph they could have just walked slightly faster to get out of the way

Staying at home reduces the risk of having an accident by a HUGE margin - but then I like to live life on the edge!

I can only go my personal experience:

Down a very steep hill:

Up a very steep hill:

Both hills deceptively steep. Going up the hill, I had already been up there a couple of times, and I was just having a play on the ice, with approaches etc. Climbing was on barely legal wranglers on 3 days of snow & ice

I think you missed my point - 2mph is less than walking pace.

Either you were going faster than 2-3mph and would have squished the kiddies. In which case you are a bad bad man for driving faster than you should have been.

Or you were indeed doing 2-3mph and my gran with her zimmer frame would outpace you.

I tried for 70mph on the M4 once whilst it was covered in 3 inches of snow/ice - now that WAS too fast. Judging by the sideways action. I didnt rush out and buy snow tyres - I just moderated my speed to 50mph.

I agree 100% that Cold Weather Tyres will give you more grip. Whether they are necessary or not depends on what you want that grip for. Personally I would rather just drive a little slower. 

I don't think I missed your point dan...I respect your opinion and I'm happy with mine

Softer Compound Winter Tyres are safer on ice as shorter stopping distance and much greater grip even if summer tyres are OK/good. [full stop]

My Wintrac 4's arrive tomorrow. Will put them on a second set of 19" wheels. I've got them so the FF is equipped for it 2 trips to the Alps. The belt and braces approach ensures that we will have a warm winter and rubbish to snow to ski on!!!!

richard