My car came with Scorpion Zero AllSeason and I have to say I’m impressed with how they performed in heavy snow in the Alps. I have snow chains in the boot just in case, but never felt the need to put them on as the car just didn’t need them. 2024 Range Rover P550e AB

My car also came with Scorpion Zero and I have to say these are OK summer tires, but anyone who claims they are good for snow and cold, should first try real (3PMSF rated) winter tires to learn the difference.

Yes, it's possible to drive Scorpion zero on snow, but you never have any kind of confidence with them. More so on ice.

So, maybe it can be a solution for countries like UK, but here up north it's not an option and it's not even legally allowed to drive on them in winter time (for a good reason).

Here's some fresh article with proper winter tires selection and it also describes the difference with AllSeason: https://www.caranddriver.com/car-accessori...now-tires/

I didn't expect to have any confidence in my Scorpion Zeros in the snow, hence my surprise. I put the car in "snow" mode, and even on a steep descent on a snow packed road, I had no problems.

I am very familiar with winter tyres, having had them on my last two Range Rovers, and clearly they are in a different league from the Scorpion Zeros, but if it's only occasional use in the snow, and you don't drive like an idiot, they may be good enough. 2024 Range Rover P550e AB

Agree, it's something you can survive on if needed.

Where typical winter is "just 2 or 3 days subzero", and it's legally allowed to use all-seasons at winter,
it's probably a viable all-year option. One just have to be very careful with braking and inclining/declining turns.

Good to know is that regulation changed in France and Germany in December 2024. M+S tyres are no longer allowed in winter conditions. You need Alpine/snowflake marked tyres now.

In theory you are allowed to use chains on M+S wheels but you can not use chains unless there has been heavy snow. In light snow or icy conditions chains won't help you. And either way you can't go much faster than 30 km/h on chains.

I wasn't aware that the regulation had changed. I was in the Alps last month with M+S tyres and chains in the boot just in case. As I mentioned above, I was impressed with how the tyres performed in heavy snow and ice conditions. 2024 Range Rover P550e AB

Yeah, I was made aware as I'm planning to pick up a car in Germany with 23" M+S all season tyres.

Pirelli has 285/40 -23 Scorpion Winter 2 but they are not exactly cheap... And I would prefer 21" or 22" on the winter tyres anyway.

In France, it's only the mountains and not the whole country. You can still use non-winter tyres as long as you carry chains and use them when required. https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers...89?lang=en

I'm less familiar with the German rules, but seem to remember they are something like you're automatically deemed to be at fault in an accident if winter tyres are not fitted and the weather is bad. The only official link I could find still seems to say M&S are OK..... https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/winter-tyres-2487800
However, I think that link is wrong and its only the 3PMSF that are recognised, but it's still weather dependent - you can still legally drive with other tyres if the weather is good.

Correct about France but it still means you need to put your chains on as soon as it starts snowing. If you are on a flat 70km/h or 90 km/h road in the mountains that means you will be clogging up traffic. With that said, a lot of people use M+S all season anyway because they are not aware of the rules.

Many reason that they will be fine with all seasons as 4x4 will help them which is true as long as you don't need to brake.

I'm a bit damaged when it comes to winter tyres in winter time, splitting my winter season between Sweden and our home in Italy located at an altitude of 1500 meters. Tourists are constantly an issue on their all weather tyres, struggling up the mountain at light snow fall and blocking traffic going down.

I think your link for Germany has old information, fact is the law on Alpine/snowflake marking came in to effect in 2018 but tyres manufactured before 2018 have been exempt until the fall of 2024. In Germany chains wont help you as you are not allowed to use them unless you're in the mountains.

https://www.stuttgartcitizen.com/lifestyle...2C%202024.

For all these countries these rules only apply in wintery conditions, rest of the time you can pretty much have any tyre.

Personally I have winter tyres and chains when driving in Italy, when there is 30-50 cm of snow over night you still need chains if the they haven't cleared the road in our village.