allisong wrote:

I have a 2007 Range Rover with heated steering wheel so do not have the additional circuits available through the "clock spring" as JLR call it, BUT studying the wiring diagrams I could see that the heated steering wheel wiring has a seperate ground and 12v supply wire (from the ignition) to the normal steering wheel switches. This is to allow it to be fused seperately I guess.

Normal swiches are off a 5 amp fuse and the steering heating off a 10 amp fuse. SO by using the ground and supply wires for the heated steering wheel only (wiring the normal switches across to this supply on the steering wheel side) I was able to free off two tracks from front to back to use for the paddle shifts. Makes the 5 amp fuse redundant and the 10A fuse is large enough.

Hence you CAN fit paddle shifts to older cars with a heated steering wheel with the existing hardware - no need for RF remotes etc. Much easier!

It is an intriguing possibility Allisong. Perhaps one could fuse the heating element inside the wheel so that if it pops it doesn't pop the whole lot - this assumes you replace the original 10A with perhaps a 15A and then fuse at 10A at the heating element. Depends whether the clock spring can handle 15A thru that circuit designed for 10A. I would be surprised if it couldn't.

wireless is good ...........as they say dont fix it if it aint broke...........plus for me i dont have the heating element so couldnt do it that way if i wanted to...........but still if it works for you well done "RANGEISM WILL NOT BE TOLERATED"
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Pretlove says , '' I want my car back "

Well I have managed to get the wireless working on my V8, I even remote powered the Transmitter so no worries about battery going flat.

but the thing I have not done is power up the paddle leds, these are powered in one direction of + / - where as the transmitter with being powered on mine now, works in the reverse polarity, so if I was to connect the led, I would blow my paddles printed circut boards, I know I tried!!!!!,

so these wil be not used till I isolate them another day and bring there own 2 cable to the power and earth connections I have now in the steering wheel.

MASSIVE THANKS TO:

MATT / DAVEO / JONNO ? PRETLOVE

as the last photo help me greatly

Cheers from a happy paddler!!  Current vehicles
4.2 SC FFRR RSE 2010- facelift
Range Rover Evogue Dynamic Lux

Gone
Rejected RRS my14.5 nightmare
Disco B4 XXV convert
Freelander 06 SE
06 RFFRR 4.2 SC Vogue RSE
Audi A8 4.2Tdi Quattro (hated with a vengence!!)
54 FFRR 2005 model V8 4.4 Cobra Variant
53 Mitsubishi Shogun V6

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lurking on this thread and i have a question, what are you guys going to use the paddles for as the FFRR is an auto and was designed to be driven like one..

scarey wrote:

lurking on this thread and i have a question, what are you guys going to use the paddles for as the FFRR is an auto and was designed to be driven like one..

well scarey,

when you have a V8 with 22" rims, the word off roader, become road killer, as mine loves a roasting along any road and the paddle shift makes this even more fun to do, so this should even on a Td6 make the driving experience a exciting occurance!!!



no its not a new 5 litre SC but that no reason why it can't be one almost... Current vehicles
4.2 SC FFRR RSE 2010- facelift
Range Rover Evogue Dynamic Lux

Gone
Rejected RRS my14.5 nightmare
Disco B4 XXV convert
Freelander 06 SE
06 RFFRR 4.2 SC Vogue RSE
Audi A8 4.2Tdi Quattro (hated with a vengence!!)
54 FFRR 2005 model V8 4.4 Cobra Variant
53 Mitsubishi Shogun V6

understood , but isnt there a manual mode on the gear stick for that..

scarey wrote:

understood , but isnt there a manual mode on the gear stick for that..

thats true it is to far over......also what can i say boys and there toys
if im really honest ive only used it twice and may never use it again but i have it and thats good  "RANGEISM WILL NOT BE TOLERATED"
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Pretlove says , '' I want my car back "

All, with respect to using the heated steering wheel supply for all the switches, well yes indeed if the heating element shorts then the 10 Amp fuse blows and all the switches stop working, not that bad, I have a new steering wheel and don't use the heating that often and would not expect the element to blow. I would also expect it to blow "open circuit" not "short circuit" anyhow. If it does short circuit you would simply have to replace the fuse to get the switches working and at a later date you have the issue of having to repair the steering heating element anyhow. (If the element shorts then I would expect the steering heating circuit board would "fry" also looking at the design).

Getting back to reality, I measured the actual current used: The heated steering wheel takes 5 Amp when cold dropping to 2 Amp when warm and the other switches take less than 0.75 Amp so no need to upgrade the fuse. Total load is well less than 10 Amps. If you want to be paranoid and protect the ordinary switches separately then it would be easy to add an inline fuse in the wiring behind the airbag. I don't see the need for this quite honestly.

Please be aware that the tracks in the "clock spring" for the heated steering wheel supply and ground are thicker and more robust than all the others, hence the reason why these are the best to use as they can handle more current.

The option of doing it this way works really well - now used daily and I am certainly very happy with this approach.

So for those who want to avoid wireless and who want to retain full steering wheel heating, there is a valid option.

Geoff.

well explained geoff

and welcome to the forum "RANGEISM WILL NOT BE TOLERATED"
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Pretlove says , '' I want my car back "

well here is the detailed photo's of the steering wheel conversion that I did to avoid any battery use , so its ingnition powered via the heate steering wheel circut.

POWER up Connections shown here

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I am helping a oversea FF member convert his TDV8 3.6

but need a photo of the gearbox connection plug wiring and colour code for the up and down shift wires to help his sparky install it fast can anyone assist??



cheers Rob Current vehicles
4.2 SC FFRR RSE 2010- facelift
Range Rover Evogue Dynamic Lux

Gone
Rejected RRS my14.5 nightmare
Disco B4 XXV convert
Freelander 06 SE
06 RFFRR 4.2 SC Vogue RSE
Audi A8 4.2Tdi Quattro (hated with a vengence!!)
54 FFRR 2005 model V8 4.4 Cobra Variant
53 Mitsubishi Shogun V6

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scarey wrote:

lurking on this thread and i have a question, what are you guys going to use the paddles for as the FFRR is an auto and was designed to be driven like one..

i like to stick the lever in 'd' and drive...if i want to mess about with gearing , i would have got one of those 'manual' cars i keep hearing about..