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Discotigger



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Orkney Grey

It is possible that the radiator was clogged or partially blocked. One other possible reason could be that because the changeover valve wasn't working, the main cooling system was getting hotter than normal. The coolant that circulates to the heater matrix also acts to assist the main engine cooling. I noticed that whilst my interior heating wasn't working, due to the bust changeover valve, that my main radiator cooling fan was coming on a lot more than previously. Going for a good run out this morning, so will update with any news once I get home later today.

Post #610058 22nd Oct 2021 8:27am
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umitbat



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Exactly.
I was surprised how cold those hoses can be... 2010 3.6tdv8 180k km.
sold 06 td6 160k
Sold 03 td6 260k

Post #610094 22nd Oct 2021 1:32pm
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harleyman



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Hi

Sorry to bring back this post but I think I've got this same problem with my 4.4Tdv8 as I only get hot air when I chose full heat on the temperature selector (maximum temperature)

Could it be that when the car is running and you select max temp the car switches on the Fuel Burning and that is why I only get hot air when the temperature wheel selector is to max?

If this sounds possible it could solve my problem

In the other hand I`ve seen this changeover valve in AliExpress could you confirm that it is the right one to get?

Thank you

 2012 Range Rover 4.4 tdv8 Autobiography

Post #651468 22nd Dec 2022 6:17pm
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Discotigger



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Orkney Grey

The FBH will only start or run when the temperature is 5 degrees or lower. It is possible that this valve is faulty, but there are also 2 other valves on the heating system which channel hot water from the engine to the heater matrices for driver and passenger heating. It's possible that it's these valves that may be at fault.

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harleyman



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Thank you for the feedback

I´ve been checking the workshop and I´ve found this an please let me know if my conclusion cloud be right

OPERATION

The FFBH system operates in two modes:
Parked heating, to heat the passenger compartment while the vehicle is parked with the engine off.
Additional heating, to boost heater performance while the engine is running.
The ATC module disables FFBH operation if battery voltage is too low, as determined from an ambient air temperature
dependent voltage map. Where fitted, the battery monitoring system can also disable FFBH operation based on the
battery charge state with the engine off.
During FFBH operation, with or without the engine running, the coolant valves of the climate control system remain
de-energized and heater core temperature is directly related to the temperature of the coolant coming from the FFBH unit.

Additional Heating

Additional heating reduces the heater warm-up time and is also used to maintain heater performance throughout the drive
cycle.
The ATC module activates the additional heating mode when the engine is running and the following conditions coexist:
The ambient temperature is less than 1 °C (34 °F) on petrol vehicles or 8 °C (41 °F) on diesel vehicles.
The engine coolant temperature is less than 75 °C (167 °F).
The heater coolant temperature is less than 70 °C (158 °F).
The heat demand is more then 75%.
The blower is on.
From que Operation point of view, the FFBH can work with the engine running and if we check under what cases the FFBH will work with a running engine, we can see that it says “The heat demand is more then 75%.”

Could we assume that that is why we don´t get any hot air from the car vents at least er set the temperature control switch to maximum heat?

My thought is that when we set the temp switch to maximum this makes the system to ask for more heat what makes the demand more that that 70% and the switches on the FFBH and that is why we only get heat setting the switch to max

That this make sense? 2012 Range Rover 4.4 tdv8 Autobiography

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DeeBeeGee



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2008 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Just registered to add to this thread as it is the only one which really helped me fix my heating issues, when googling my problem.

I had no heat, fans worked and could be directed with controls. Periodically I would get a tiny bit of a temp change but never very much.

I had the heater control valve changed as it was a cheaper part and my reading made me think it would be that. However, whilst it did seem to allow for a slight temp i crease, it was nothing like correct.

Next move was to replace the changeover valve. I bought a pattern part from Amazon which was around £40. It took some mucking about to replace however, it turned out to be the offending part.

I have put some photos below to show where the part is and offer a touch of advice for the job

Remove cabin filter assembly. just 2 13mm bolts, 1 at either end, then pull assembly up and out.



Next image shows where the part is on the bulkhead. Basically just below the right hand air entry to the cabin. Silver item, bottom right of image.


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The image showing the close up of the jubilee clip is the only one on the valve that you need to release. Basically the one on the right of the valve. 6mm socket is your friend here.



The other 2 hoses on the left of the valve can be left attached. Detatch them from the pipe connectors at the other end, on top of the engine.

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Next jubilee clip is the one coming from the bulkhead. It is the left hand hose in picture 2 above

Tricky part is the 2 nylon 10mm nuts which hold the valve to the bulk head. Small ratchet with 6sided 10mm socket and some patience will do it. Bracket is attached in this image, you can see the 2 holes in the bracket where the nuts would be located.

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Pull it all out, swap the hoses over, then re fit.

All done

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harleyman



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GReat info DeeBeeGee

I have to get this job done on my 4.4 Tdv8

Thank you 2012 Range Rover 4.4 tdv8 Autobiography

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pcourtney



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England 2011 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Sumatra Black

Thank you for the clear instructions DeeBee, much appreciated !

I searched on ebay for Heater Control Valve Solenoid LR016848 For Land Rover Discovery Range Rover, got one for under £23 quid, says 5 year warranty, we will see Smile

Part Number LR016848

Fit for Land Rover Discovery III 2005-2009
Fit for Land Rover Discovery IV 2010-2016
Fit for RANGE ROVER 2013-2016
Fit for RANGE ROVER III 2005-2016


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PieRat



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New Zealand 2012 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Barolo Black

For anyone looking to replace the crossover valve with a hose T (which I just did to restore cabin heating) it uses 19mm in case you were wondering. I couldn't find it referenced anywhere on the internet.

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Westminster263



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umitbat wrote:

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Have same problems in this moment with cold heating and want to change Dual valve. Under valve is number 14, water pump. I have issue an my car "B1D27-15 (2F) Coolant pump circuit, General electrical failture - circuit short battery or open". Can it be this pump? So I can change together, which part number is it?

Thanks so much
Ronny

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RR2B



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 V8 Baltic Blue

Read this thread with interest (and much head scratching). I have no heat in the cabin when engine running, but when cold and the fbh is activated with the remote the cabin heats up nicely. Does this point to an issue with the single solenoid changeover valve, or the dual solenoid valve? Thanks in advance for any pointers. 2011MY 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Baltic Blue
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Scottyav



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Mine looks like it’s seized having not had it on warm air for 10 months so replacing it with a JQD000010 dual control valve next week, pipes all hot to the control but cold coming out so has to be that after a few hours eliminating anything else and there is a YouTube video on the 4.4 tdv8 but mines the other side on a 3.6 like the majority,

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RR2B



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 V8 Baltic Blue

Disconnected changeover valve connector and fault code 'auxiliary heater valve open circuit' came up as expected. Connected eBay replacement valve (without fiddling with piping for now) hoping to hear a click from the solenoid when activating the fbh from the remote fob, but nothing to be heard or felt from the solenoid. Fbh fired up as normal and heater fan cut in. If I connect a voltmeter to the connector terminals, assume it should read 12V when the fbh fires up? 2011MY 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Baltic Blue
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RR2B



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Changeover valve replaced, toasty warm again, wifey happy, travel rugs dispensed with. 2011MY 4.4TDV8 Autobiography Baltic Blue
TVR Griffith
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Scottyav



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Changed mine today, fairly easy rook about an hour with a few coffees in between, to undo the 10mm plastic nuts below I put a wire on the 1/4 drive ratchet in case it drops but back to red hot inside again, old unit before I replaced it 😎

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