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phoenixman61



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Zermatt Silver
2010 4.4 tdv8: rear suspension suddenly sat down on bumps

UPDATE - Many thanks to all of you who offered insights into the issue with the rear suspension. After removing the wheel arch liner to see if I could see any obvious problem (couldn't see anything out of place) I contacted the LR main dealer and they were very helpful (and patient!) with me.

They have put money on it being one of the pipes 'somewhere between' the compressor and the rear airbags coming adrift causing a sudden loss of air. The front staying up and still pumping when changing the height settings rules out the compressor and reservoir. There is a slim chance it's the valve block that's gone, but - according to LR - even that would take much longer to leak enough air to empty the rear system. They advised taking back to the garage who fitted the new airbags. They also confirmed it is a) safe and b) legal to drive it to the garage with the rear suspension down on the cones - but at no more than 20mph (if my spine can even take that!)

I'll post a further update when I find out what it actually is. Garage is doing it tomorrow morning!!


note before reading/responding: i had new rear air suspension bags fitted both sides only six weeks ago!

car has been running fine until yesterday. started up and immediately the
'warning: suspension fault' came up.
ok'd this and it went away. drove about 30 miles with no issue. car stood for a couple of hours, then started up again, but this time the levelling seemed like it couldn't work out what it was set to between normal and off-road. once we started moving it sorted itself out (at normal height) and we drove back 30 miles with no further issues.

this morning went to drive the car the 100 yards or so back to it's normal parking place outside our house. it was sitting as normal on the road, at correct height etc. started up and no warning message, but again it couldn't seem to work out what height it was set to.

started to drive slowly to where i could turnaround, reversed the car into a driveway, then turned back towards my house. immediately i was aware that the back of the car had suddenly dropped and the rear suspension was on the bumpers. the front stayed at the correct height.

the car has been in this position - see photo - since then and 11 hours have elapsed. the front is still up, but it will not raise at the rear when i start her up.

the back went down so suddenly, i find it hard to think it could be the airbags i had fitted a few weeks ago (aerosus).

i've ordered a compressor seal refurb kit which is arriving tomorrow, just to replace the seals etc to be on the safe side. however, the fact that the front has stayed up is making me think this isn't the compressor and maybe the valve block (or something very close to it).

open to suggestions... and helpful advice! thanks in advance.[/img]


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Post #693454 27th May 2024 6:49pm
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AndyRoo



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It's a shame you don't have the details of the error codes, that could point to what the cause is.

You don't say whether lowering the car and trying to raise again lifts the fronts again. It may be that they're just holding their pressure well, at least for now, if they raise up again then it can't be the compressor.

As you said the bags were replaced not long ago if the above works ok then I'd be thinking more along the lines of a dislodged air line or sticking valve. You could listen out for obvious hissing with the compressor running around both rear arches or if you had access to a smoke generator that would help out a lot. Fuji White / Jet 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster

Post #693455 27th May 2024 7:10pm
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phoenixman61



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I've not got a smoke generator but you have given me an idea! Sorry, I don't have a code reader - keep meaning to get one.

The front stays at the same level when trying to lift the back btw.

Does that help?

Post #693457 27th May 2024 7:25pm
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At the risk of making a bad situation worse, if you lower to access height and then back to normal, does the front drop and then rise again ?

If so that would eliminated the compressor and 50% or the pipework so you'd be looking at a rear end fault.

If the front drops and does not rise up again may well be a pressure generation ussue. Fuji White / Jet 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster

Post #693458 27th May 2024 7:31pm
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Without a diagnostic tool like the GAP IID it’s tricky but have a look at the off-road display and see where the car thinks the wheel heights are as it could be a faulty height sensor making the car drop. You would hear an air leak if it was a leak that dropped it that fast. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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phoenixman61



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AndyRoo wrote:
At the risk of making a bad situation worse, if you lower to access height and then back to normal, does the front drop and then rise again ?

If so that would eliminated the compressor and 50% or the pipework so you'd be looking at a rear end fault.

If the front drops and does not rise up again may well be a pressure generation issue.


I've just tried the above (chuckin it down here today so not ideal for working on the car). The front went down as per access height, then back up when I selected normal height. However, it thinks (or is actually at) off road height at the front.

On the basis of that, I'm ruling out the compressor. The system is obviously generating air. Hopefully the weather's better tomorrow and I can jack it up and have a look at the air hoses. Wondering if the valve block on the rear has suddenly failed or the feed pipe has come away somehow, mainly because the back sat down so fast yesterday.

Thanks for you help so far - appreciated.

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phoenixman61



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JayGee wrote:
Without a diagnostic tool like the GAP IID it’s tricky but have a look at the off-road display and see where the car thinks the wheel heights are as it could be a faulty height sensor making the car drop. You would hear an air leak if it was a leak that dropped it that fast.


Thanks for that. Raining a fair bit here today so will try this tomorrow - weather permitting. The back of the car sat down SO quickly - much faster than the system 'balancing' itself - that I wonder if it is was height sensor. I know they make rapid adjustments, but this was almost inmmediate.

Tbh I'm leaning towards an air pipe/valve block issue, but I could be wrong.

Let you know what happens when I try your suggestion.

Post #693485 28th May 2024 12:09pm
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Also check the sensors visulaly to see if the arms are securly attached. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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phoenixman61



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Will do

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It's been mentioned on here before that the later VDS equipped struts are longer than the earlier versions and only the OE bags are the right length with others not fitting properly.

Might be worth having a search through previous posts for details, but thought I'd just mention it. 2012 (L322) 4.4TDV8 Vogue SE, RSE, Fuji White over Arabica.
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phoenixman61



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Would that not have been apparent when the new air bags were fitted? And, would an issue have presented itself in the six(ish) week since they were fitted?

I assume my local LR dealer (Sytner) would be able to tell me if mine is VDS equipped?

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VDS is standard on all 4.4 TDV8’s.

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phoenixman61



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Yep, just checked - mine's got the units on the top of the front struts.

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Danb_220_2019 wrote:
It's been mentioned on here before that the later VDS equipped struts are longer than the earlier versions and only the OE bags are the right length with others not fitting properly.

Might be worth having a search through previous posts for details, but thought I'd just mention it.


I've just checked and my front struts are VDS - they've got the wired cap on the top of the strut. How would this affect the rear of the car though?

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Have you looked at the 4x4 info screen yet Wink 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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