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Phoenix



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It's a lot easier if you brace the knuckle on something solid (like an axle stand) to focus all the energy into the balljoint. Rather than a gas torch, do you have access to a TIG welder? they're great for putting heat exactly where you want it.

I've used a hydraulic hub tool similar to below on driveshafts on LR's of all types, never let me down in 12 years.

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I'm in the process of replacing the front wheel bearings, both arms and all other bits, I managed to get the driveshaft loosened, removed steering arm, and then removed the bolts holding the arms to the sub front, took it to my handy press and pressed everything out. Even with a press it's a job to get it all to move, some fair noise when things come loose, the main problem is getting things solid and level enough to put force to the various bits out, getting the driveshaft back in is still a work of violence and persuasion though, I do like your hub puller, better than a couple of big hammers..
The only damage was 2 new sensors, both did not want to move and snapped off.

Will

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EDITED - Ignore this post, I'm getting mixed up and have deleted advice to use a universal sleeve press kit.

A sleeve press kit won't work on the bottom ball joint. I used another tool like a big G clamp with a winding nut and a receiver last time I replaced bottom ball joint on the car.

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Phoenix wrote:
It's a lot easier if you brace the knuckle on something solid (like an axle stand) to focus all the energy into the balljoint. Rather than a gas torch, do you have access to a TIG welder? they're great for putting heat exactly where you want it.

I've used a hydraulic hub tool similar to below on driveshafts on LR's of all types, never let me down in 12 years.

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Would you be able to post a link to the tool? Kevin
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Phoenix



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This is the one I have, https://www.garagediagnostictools.co.uk/pr...ww-1017ww/
There's probably cheaper copies on fleabay which may be fine for occasional use.
What I would say, is use full nuts & washers to hold the flange onto the wheel studs, using the conical wheel nuts will damage the flange of the tool. They don't need to be death tight, just 'nipped'.

WRT getting the driveshaft back in the L322 hubs, I drill the centre about 10mm deep and tap to M8 so I can attach a small slide hammer. After cleaning the splines and lubricating with a bit of Moly grease (the same that the CV joint is filled with), the driveshaft is much easier to refit.

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Thanks for that last bit of advise Phoenix Bow down , I am having a real struggle fitting the L/H shaft, Right went easy enough but the left is putting up a struggle.

Will

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Phoenix



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If you can't drill & tap, I've known people put a big pair of mole grips around the driveshaft and beat them with a copper hammer whilst rotating the driveshaft back & forth, I've seen one tech build it all back up and run the engine in gear (all the wheels off the floor, obviously!) whilst tapping the side of the CV joint with a small(ish) hammer, took a few minutes but worked.

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Many thanks, good to know what works and worth the investment👍 Kevin
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WRT getting the driveshaft back in the L322 hubs, I drill the centre about 10mm deep and tap to M8 so I can attach a small slide hammer. After cleaning the splines and lubricating with a bit of Moly grease (the same that the CV joint is filled with), the driveshaft is much easier to refit.


Yes, they are a tight and can be a real pain. I also get my Dremel out and clean up the splines - you can also use a small triangular metal file Gavin

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Epson Green



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I was recommended this tool for refitting the shaft to the hub, which I have bought but not used yet.


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 Kevin
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So gents, it's back to a nightmare yet again!! It would seem that the CV joint and I are at an impasse Censored

I managed to split the CV joint with the knuckle still attached from the drive shaft without too much trouble for a change, my engineer's brain thinking that once off I'd set it up on my bench vice, soak it for 24 hours in penetrating fluid and knock the CV joint out from above. NO SUCH FLIPPING LUCK. So here's how today's short workshop trials have been abandoned....

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Having given up flogging the dead horse I've purchased one of the hub splitters mentioned earlier by Epsom Green but I'm not holding out much hope.

Looks like a knuckle off a breaker RR and a new CV joint may be the only way ahead atm!!

Methinks I'll leave it to someone else next time Big Cry Current collection :

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Phoenix



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The best penetrating fluid for that sort of job is 1:1 brake fluid & Acetone.
A bit late now admittedly, I've slackened off driveshaft nuts and accelerated / braked sharply a dozen times or so before doing battle with L322 driveshafts that look like they may be problematic. I can't say it definitely helped, logically, it should have.

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My experience of such jobs has led me to the conclusion that if anything like this needs replacing, off to my local Indy it goes.
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