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Grease-Monkey



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Help with ECU no communication

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me pinpoint an issue with an L405.

Intermittently the engine will completely switch off while driving and the dash goes nuts lighting up like a Christmas tree everything goes into fault.

I've checked the grounds in the wheel arches and the ones in the engine bay (behind the air box and the ones up by the bulkhead ) as well as the strap that goes on to the transfer/gearbox

As I'm not as familiar with these would someone be willing to help me work threw this

I would like to add this is low milage 60k and when I checked the earth points even though they looked OK (no sign of corruption at all) I still removed them cleaned them and refitted them regardless, and both batteries have been replaced as they were testing bad

There is a flash/burn mark on the posertive battery connector from where its been jump started

I will put the dish scan data below

Its a pain its so intermittent when im checking powers grounds and scoping the fault does not happen to see it only appears to happen while driving

Many thanks

TGS3s
System type Status Faults

ABS - - (ABS) Antilock braking system [--/13>--/14] - P YES
 • U0001 - 87 High Speed Controller Area Network Communication Bus -
Message missing MEM -

 • U0001 - 81 High Speed Controller Area Network Communication Bus -
Received serial data non valid MEM -


Adaptive Cruise Control - - (CCM) Cruise Control Module [--/13>--/16] Adaptive
speed control P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM -

 • U0415 - 81 Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control

Module - Received serial data non valid MEM -

 • U0418 - 68 Invalid Data Received from the Brake System Control Module -
Event information MEM -


Adaptive Cruise Control - - (CCM) Cruise Control Module [--/13>--/16] Speed
control P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM -

 • U0415 - 81 Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control
Module - Received serial data non valid MEM -

 • U0418 - 68 Invalid Data Received from the Brake System Control Module -
Event information MEM -


Air conditioner - - (HVAC) Heating, Ventilation and A/C [--/13>--/13] - P YES

 • B12A6 Auxiliary heater water pump status ATT -

 • B13C2 Front Windscreen/Windshield Misting Sensor ATT -


Air conditioner - - (HVAC) Heating, Ventilation and A/C [--/14>] - P YES

 • B12A6 Auxiliary heater water pump status ATT -

 • B13C2 Front Windscreen/Windshield Misting Sensor ATT -


Airbag - - (RCM) Restraint Control Module [--/13>--/16] - P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM -


Audio amplifier system - - (AAM) Audio amplifier module - - P NO


Audio control - - (ACM) Audio control module [--/13>--/16] - P NO


Automatic transmission - - (TCM) Transmission control module [--/13>--/16] - P YES

 • U0100 - 63 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" - Circuit/component
protection timeout MEM -


Body Computer - - (BCM) Body Control Module - - P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM -

 • U0155 Lost communication with the instrument panel control unit MEM -

 • U0164 Lost Communication With Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning
Control Module MEM -

 • U0199 Lost Communication With Door Control Module A MEM
-
 • U0230 Lost Communication With Rear Tailgate Module MEM
-
Central console controls - - (FCIMB) Front controls interface module B - (HV
AC)


Heating, Ventilation and A/C controls
P NO


Central console controls - - (FCIMB) Front controls interface module B - Front
audio control panel
P NO


Central console controls - - (FCIMC) Front controls interface module C - Front
audio control panel
P NO


Chassis management system - - (CHCM) Chassis control module - -
P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM
-

 • U0402 Invalid data received from transmission control unit MEM
-

 • U0415 Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control
Module MEM
-


Chassis management system - - (CHCMB) Chassis control module B [--/13>-
-/13] -
P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM
-

 • U0415 Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control
Module MEM
-


Chassis management system - - (CHCMB) Chassis control module B [--/14>-
-/16] -
P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM
-

 • U0415 Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control
Module MEM
-


Diesel injection Bosch 17 CP 11 EDC - With DPF - Euro 5/Euro 6
P YES

 • P0700 Transmission Control System (MIL Request) MEM
-


Digital radio tuner - - (DBAM) Digital radio transmission control unit [--/13>-
-/16] -
P NO


Driver side door - - (DDM) Driver Door Module - -
P NO


Driver side pretensioner - - (SPMA) Pretensioner driver side - -
P NO


Dynamic drive control - - (ATCM) All terrain control module [--/13>--/16] -
P YES

 • U3003 - 62 Battery voltage - Signal comparison failure
AT
T
-


Front camera - - (HCMB) Headlight electronic control unit - Module B - With
front camera [--/14>--/15] High Line
P NO


Front camera - - (HCMB) Headlight electronic control unit - Module B - With
front camera [--/14>--/15] Low Line
P NO


Front interface module - - (FCDIM) Front Control Display Interface Module [-
-/13>--/15] -
P NO


Front interface module - - (FCDIM) Front Control Display Interface Module [-
-/16>] -
P NO


Gateway - - (GWM) Gateway Module [--/13>--/13] Dual battery
P NO


Gateway - - (GWM) Gateway Module [--/13>--/13] Single battery
P NO


Gateway - - (GWM) Gateway Module [--/14>--/16] -
P NO


Gear selector lever - - (GSM) Electronic Gear Selector Module [--/13>--/16] -
P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM
-


Headlight adjustment - - (HCM) Headlight Control Module - -
P NO


Immobilizer - - (VIM) Vehicle immobilizer control module - -
P NO


Instrument panel - - (IPC) Instrument Panel Cluster - -
P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM
-


Keyless go system - - (RFA) Keyless vehicle module - -
P NO


Lower liftgate - - (R
GTMB) Rear Gate/Trunk Module - -
P NO


Navigation system - - (NCM) Navigation control module [--/13>--/15] -
P NO


Navigation system - - (NCM) Navigation control module [--/16>--/16] -
P NO


Parking aid cameras - - (IPM-B) Image Processing Module [--/13>--/15] -
P YES

 • U0140-08 - Lost communication with the Body Computer - Bus
signal/message malfunction MEM
-


Parking aid cameras - - (IPM-B) Image Processing Module [--/16>] -
P YES

 • U0140-08 - Lost communication with the Body Computer - Bus
signal/message malfunction MEM
-


Parking brake - - (PBM) Parking Brake Module - -
P YES

 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM
-


Parking help - - (PAM) Parking Assist Module [--/13>--/16] -
P NO


Passenger side door - - (PDM) Passenger Door Module - -
P NO


Passenger side pretensioner - - (SPMB) Passenger side pretensioner - -
P NO


Passenger side seat adjustment - - (PSM) Passenger Seat Module [--/13>--/13] -
P NO


Passenger side seat adjustment - - (PSM) Passenger Seat Module [--/14>--/15] -
P NO


Passenger side seat adjustment - - (PSM) Passenger Seat Module [--/16>--/16] - P NO


Power steer - - (PSCM) Power Steering Control Module [--/13>--/16] - P NO


Rear air conditioner - - (HVACR) Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning, Rear
compartment - -
P NO


Rear left seat adjustment - - (RLSM) Rear left seat module [--/13>--/13] - P NO


Rear left seat adjustment - - (RLSM) Rear left seat module [--/14>--/15] - P NO


Rear multimedia system - - (REM) Rear entertainment [--/13>--/16] - P NO


Rear right seat adjustment - - (RRSM) Rear right seat module [--/13>--/13] - P NO


Rear right seat adjustment - - (RRSM) Rear right seat module [--/14>--/15] - P NO


Satellite radio tuner - - (SRM) Satellite audio unit module [--/13>--/16] - P NO


Seat adjustment, driver's side - - (DSM) Driver Seat Module - - P NO


Seat air conditioning/heating adjustment - - (SCME) Front seat climate control
module [--/13>--/13] - P YES

 • U0140 Lost Communication With Body Control Module MEM -


Steering angle sensor - - (SAS) Steering Angle Sensor control unit [--/13>--/16] - P NO


TV tuner - - (TVM) Television Module [--/13>--/16] - P NO


Torque transfer box - - (TCCM) Transfer Case Control Module [--/13>--/13] - P YES

 • U0001 - 87 High Speed Controller Area Network Communication Bus -
Message missing MEM -


Torque transfer box - - (TCCM) Transfer Case Control Module [--/14>--/16] - P YES

 • U0001 - 87 High Speed Controller Area Network Communication Bus -
Message missing MEM -


Tyre pressure - - (TPM) Tyre Pressure Monitoring [--/13>--/15] Body computer P YES
 • U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" MEM -

 • U0155 Lost communication with the instrument panel control unit MEM -

 • U0164 Lost Communication With Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning
Control Module MEM -

 • U0199 Lost Communication With Door Control Module A MEM -

 • U0230 Lost Communication With Rear Tailgate Module MEM -


Upper liftgate - - (RGTM) Rear Gate/Trunk Module - - P NO
(Hands-free) boot opening request system -- --
Calf rest support module -- --
Differential lock electronics -- --
Driver and passenger side running board -- --
Driver side rear door -- --
Head-up display -- --
Obstacle detection control unit, left side -- --
Obstacle detection control unit, right side -- --
Occupied seat detection -- --

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fisha



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That’s an awful lot of ‘lost communications’ … way more than I would expect see if there had been a battery fail or low voltage

Which to me would have me looking at the systems the various ecu talk to each other. For example are the connectors fully home on the control units , that sort of thing.

Does the engine falter and die, or does it instantly cut out and everything on the dash go mental? V8 or else ...

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Butters



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New batteries been fitted to rule them out…. Instantly cuts out… and intermittently…. When its runing it goes really well with no issues then cuts dead Range Rover Vogue Td6 2006-2010 (Java Black)

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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The codes with a U in front are all simple battery low voltage so can be dismissed...
Anything with a B or P code can be treated as an issue to further investigate sir... Thumbs Up

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Grease-Monkey



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fisha wrote:
That’s an awful lot of ‘lost communications’ … way more than I would expect see if there had been a battery fail or low voltage

Which to me would have me looking at the systems the various ecu talk to each other. For example are the connectors fully home on the control units , that sort of thing.

Does the engine falter and die, or does it instantly cut out and everything on the dash go mental?


The engine idle is perfect and it drives perfectly until the fault happens. Then the engine will just cut out when that happens the dash lights up like a Christmas tree. but it will restart no problem with all the no comms fault codes set.

Both batteries are brand new and they are charging fine on the car. the voltage is spot on when the fault happens.

All plugs are good and I've gone threw as much of the wiring as I can without pulling the car apart.

It's definitely an odd one

Does anyone have a pinout for the ECU and where the power feeds come from?

The only thing I can think of is the power to the ECU is dropping just for a second and coming back hens all the no comms fault codes with the ECU ( Possibly faulty relay )

Failing that only other thing i can assume is an intermittant inturnal fault with the ECU whitch is possible with the evedence of flash / burn mark on the battery ternamal

whats your thoughts on this

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Haylands



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ECU pinouts will be in the Workshop Manual that you can download from the WIKI, link top right of this page under fullfatrr.com..... Thumbs Up

Please let us know when you have sorted it.... Bow down Pete

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Butters



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Main fault Turned out to be a dodgy relay for ECU that functioned most of the time but dropped out occasionally.. swapped relays for ECU out and all good now on the major faults as above so don't necessarily trust a relay that appears to be good on test… Range Rover Vogue Td6 2006-2010 (Java Black)

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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Thanks for posting the solution sir… Thumbs Up

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Butters wrote:
Main fault Turned out to be a dodgy relay for ECU that functioned most of the time but dropped out occasionally.. swapped relays for ECU out and all good now on the major faults as above so don't necessarily trust a relay that appears to be good on test…


How did you identify that the relay was dodgy?

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Phoenix



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Cam-Tech-Craig wrote:
The codes with a U in front are all simple battery low voltage so can be dismissed...
Anything with a B or P code can be treated as an issue to further investigate sir... Thumbs Up

That's completely the wrong advice.
U codes are completely relevant in most cases - especially ones where the vehicle is running at the time, as is the case with this one. They can be discounted in some cases where there are supporting DTC's indicating low voltage, again not the case here.
The fact that several modules are reporting 'lost communication with ECM' but no 'ECM lost communication with...' Indicates that the ECM suffered a non-graceful power down, as the OP found out, with the defective relay. In cases like this, U codes are key to correctly diagnosing the concern, not by the DTC's that are logged, but by the ones that are not.
If, for example, the bus wiring was defective or there was poor pingrip, then the ECM would have lots of U codes stored as it would still be powered and logging faults.

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