The debate rages on, lol, there are many threads on here, and there is really no right answer, it’s a personal choice at the end of the day. For me, I wanted my FFRR to be as new as possible within budget, good looks, comfy, quiet, uncomplicated and reliable as possible, with lowest possible running costs, and lowest possible depreciation, performance not really important, because it’s no sports car, but that’s just me, and everyone’s criteria is different, we have to respect that.

And yes, there are issues with all models, but nevertheless brothers, we are all here because we love them.

Snapped crankshafts vs roof drain pipe terminal corrosion vs adaptive dynamics pipe rot, choose your poison!

But we STILL love them, because when they work, there is no better all-round car!  “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” -where’s the fun in that?

I am considering the V6 next time my current L322 4.4 is still too good to let go though. even with the Tax and fuel we love it so much as a family cruiser + i have invested a lot in it keeping it on the road, some preventative and some a necessity.

It is also the best Tow car i have had even my TD6 was great if a little under powered.

the only thing i miss is my TD6 had seats where the backs could be adjusted to fit your shoulders this one does not!! 2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
Discovery TD5 - Gone

Same. A 405 is a better car but it isn’t £30k better. 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster
2007 3.6 TDV8 Vogue - gone!
2003 V8 HSE (LPG) - gone!
2018 F-Pace 25t Portfolio
1974 LR Series III Lightweight FFR
2014 BMW 640i Gran Coupe

I would agree the L405 is a better car, But I sure miss my L322. it just put a smile on my face when I looked out of the window and saw the brick shape elegant lines

If you are worried about Road Tax you are on the wrong forum. 2017 SDV8 4.4 silicon silver AB
2012 TDV8 4.4 Stornaway Grey AB
2011 TDV8 4.4 Buckingham Blue
2012 VW V6 3.0 Tougreg

Tinman as yours is a 2017 you don't need to worry about road tax. overfinch modified

I’ve just traded mine in, not for a LR, but within the Sytner group so they got the value from a couple of their LR dealers. Both said they wouldn’t retail it (Dec 2018 / 50k miles), so it will be going to Sytner Select.

Got slightly less than I thought I might, but the price to change was OK and it’s c£15k more than I expected it to be worth after 3 years, so not all bad.

It’s been faultless the whole time, covering just under 38k miles.

I might regret moving away from the FF, but I didn’t want another SUV and the L460 doesn’t really appeal in the same way the L405 did. That’s before you start thinking about the potential build quality/reliability issues and having to pay £130k for a used one. MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

Out if interest, what did you buy in place of it?

A really nicely specced 6 month old Panamera MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

Swauchope wrote:

Vogue wrote:

Bottom line is it’s probably the best engine that’s why, and what are the alternatives - it’s either a 3.0d which is another Diesel engine or a 5.0, of which there are not may around and they are probably even more expensive depending on the spec.

Bottom line is forgetting the cost of fuel I would rather have the 4.4 V8 diesel just because it pulls like a train, leaves most cars standing and I can get over 400 miles on a tank.

Having had both the 4.4 isn’t noticeably faster? Do I just have a fast 3.0? And the 3.0 is a lot easier on diesel.

Must have been chipped then - because there is a MASSIVE difference 😂 2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17

Looking at a 4.4 at the minute but I’m struggling to find many insurers who will quote (only 38 on a CTM search today), possibly because it’ll be used for business mileage for my employer.

The lowest of those that did quote wanted around 7% of the value of the car as an annual premium!

I know that repair and replacement costs are pushing costs skyward, but is the FF in general challenging to insure or is the 4.4 and business use that’s killing it?

It's becoming a problem due to the number of thefts. overfinch modified

I had mine insured for business use and the renewal (due 17th June, so current price) was £960, nearly double last years £520 but less than expected. The best quote on the comparison sites was £1460. MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

I'm still looking for an April 2017 or later SDV8, have looked at about ten now, really want cream/beige/white interior, and ideally blue exterior paint, being near London there are lots of low mileage ones around but still ridiculous sums of money for a 7 year old car that has mostly been doing very short journeys (which causes its own issues with DPF etc ) , can't be good for a big V8 diesel car.

now that Diesel prices are cheaper than petrol, approx 143p a litre near me, Asda, Tesco, Morrisons etc, the fuel cost has become irrelevant

my 2011 TDV8 is still doing a great job, best tow car I have ever had and makes me smile every time I jump into it, I still love the L322 design and driving experience, but time to move on, especially when I was offered £10 grand for my old car the other day !

Diesel has never been cheaper than petrol here in the Uk and where I live its still 5p more, it should be cheaper though.

Great that you have it cheaper I'm sure it will follow everywhere soon. overfinch modified