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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3187 |
According to some flushing the brake fluid on these cars is not so easy - plenty of info on here so do a search. I ended up getting it done by a specialist indy. Make sure the bleed nipples on the fronts are not seized before you have a go at it. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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24th Oct 2022 9:35am |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
DoT4 is correct, personally I'd push 0.75l through each of the front calipers and 1.0l through each of the rears, using a pressure bleeder (i.e. pressurise the brake fluid reservoir, not vacuum the bleed nipples), I've been doing it that way for many years on JLR vehicles and others with no issues, problems seem to occur when changing components or not using sufficient pressure (2.0 bar seems to be the 'sweet spot') although I've yet to suffer any 'comeback' visits for brake concerns using the above methods. |
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24th Oct 2022 10:09am |
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pcourtney Member Since: 14 Jan 2020 Location: Stansted Posts: 804 |
thank you - I'll order 4 litres of DOT4
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24th Oct 2022 10:55am |
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pcourtney Member Since: 14 Jan 2020 Location: Stansted Posts: 804 |
those M10 brake nipple bolts are not budging, the corrosion is shocking, what cheap bolts they used, have got the WRX spray out and sprayed on, will do again in 4 hours, and again at night, hopefully after 24 to 48 hours ( and maybe more WRX) we may get these out of the Brembo calipers ( maybe not ) , but worth a try
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24th Oct 2022 1:53pm |
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pcourtney Member Since: 14 Jan 2020 Location: Stansted Posts: 804 |
if I can get those four bolts out, I think I will replace with Titanium ones, the sales blurb sounds good - anyone used them ?
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24th Oct 2022 1:58pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
It's the seats that corrode more than the threads, I prefer to start drilling before they shear off, if nothing else, you have an un-stressed thread and a guide hole....
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24th Oct 2022 4:09pm |
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Caesium Member Since: 21 Sep 2021 Location: Essex Posts: 451 |
I'd stay well away from titanium into alloy. Porsche used titanium bolts on their split rims and a mate of mine is having the devils own job getting a snaped bolt out. They can't be drilled, they cant be welded onto, they have talked about spark erosion, he's having a bllody nightmare with it. Steel is fine, just change them every two to three years when you do the brake fluid as that needs to be replaced every 2 years really. Christian. Current Cars 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 2020 BMW M4 Competition 2019 BMW X4 My RR Blog: www.facebook.com/L322Project or https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic61540.html |
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24th Oct 2022 5:29pm |
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pcourtney Member Since: 14 Jan 2020 Location: Stansted Posts: 804 |
I think you're right, I need to change the brake fluid more regularly, every 24 months, and change the M10 bleed nipple bolts at the same time, its going to be part of my maintainence regime from now on |
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24th Oct 2022 5:38pm |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3187 |
Had success in the past drilling out the bore of the nipple and using a stud extractor but it was on cast iron callipers and likley they were not seized as much as they will be in alloy. I'd be wanting to do it on the bench as well and have the tap for a 12mm nipple ready if the threads were beyond chasing out. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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24th Oct 2022 6:53pm |
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pcourtney Member Since: 14 Jan 2020 Location: Stansted Posts: 804 |
the bench idea is good, and a drilling station to boot - BUT - not without issues, getting out those bolts can be bloody difficult as well - nice blog here on Brembo's on a Suburu - I might be up for it - but Jesus it does seem a tedious time consuming ball ache
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24th Oct 2022 7:40pm |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3187 |
The caliper bolts should be easy enough with a good impact wrench. The thread part is steel/steel. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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28th Oct 2022 8:26am |
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jagracer Member Since: 14 Aug 2021 Location: Norfolk Posts: 113 |
One can drill out Titanium. Cobalt drills and lots of pressure and use drill speed as for cast steel. Its awefull stuff to machine, but the right tools will work. Yes you need to take the Calipers off and use a proper drilling machine, or better still, a good universal milling machine. Use wizard machine taps to clean the threads out. A lot of people are seduced by stainless nuts and bolts in the Classic world. Most of the Stainless nuts and bolts one sees advertised are L306, which is soft and Galls into the thread, welding the metals together. Even Stainless High Tensile 13.2 Cap Heads will lock if you do not use graphite on the thread before putting it in. Many people "just try" a Stainless bolt for fit, and it welds itself in and will have to be drilled out. I used to do a lot of Vacuum testing on Stainless vessels, and drilled out many seized bolts over the years. The internals of Nuclear Reactors are a minefield of working with chemically pure Stainless componants. Titanium is fine as long as one knows the pitfalls as well, and I am sure Phoenix in his experience, would agree. |
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28th Oct 2022 11:16am |
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JayGee Member Since: 27 Jul 2021 Location: London Posts: 3187 |
Just use stock HT steel bolts unless you are thinking of keeping the car for 10+ years.... 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322) |
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28th Oct 2022 1:03pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
You know what, you're right. I was trying to think of where S/S fasteners are used on automotive - even on fixed diesel engines - the best I could come up with is exhausts - 409L or 410 for high temperature stuff, and fuel lines in the engine bay, particularly 'crash resistant' parts - mainly 420J1 or J2. Automotive fasteners are in the main high-carbon steel, usually plated with Zinc or other passivating material or heat-treated for defined plasticity (cylinder head bolts etc.), I can't think or visualise having seen or used any S/S fasteners, for a start, they (306/316) fracture easily, and as you say, gall easily. Galling happens during installation, not removal, either due to lack of lubrication (nickel grease) or over-torquing. Back to the brake calipers, the Brembo are especially prone to corrosion on the outer bleed nipple due to.... excessive washing. Water is forced into the bleed nipple when jetwashed and sits there, quietly eating into the seat and bleed nipple, yes, there's galvanic corrosion as well but in the main, trapped water and the heating/cooling causes most of the issues. Personally, I'd replace the bleed nipples every other brake fluid change for OEM parts, there's no reason to use Titanium - otherwise it'd be standard equipment. I've seen 10-12 year old vehicles with the original bleed nipples & calipers still in good condition, but they have had a BFC every 2 years (and haven't been 'detailed' to within a millimetre of their brakes...) One of the things I do for 'fun & profit' is TiG & Oxy-Propane brazing & welding - mainly repairs to sh**y castings, I do like to keep my eye in by welding dissimilar metals, Titanium is a challenge but I've successfully brazed a M8 bolt to a seized Ti bleed nipple for removal - I'd never recommend using them unless you just like the colour.... |
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28th Oct 2022 9:15pm |
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