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Phoenix



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I'm tempted to say that the initial setting is correct, the variance is down to a difference in head gasket thickness or similar, I don't know why it's out but I do know that 'we' let rebuilt engines go with similar discrepancies, and they were still running sweetly a year later when in for service.

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dhallworth



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For it to be that far out after only 4 or so complete revolutions doesn’t sit right. This is my first time doing a chain, however, when doing belts they always pin straight up every time.

Going to make a couple of phone calls in the morning and see where we go from here.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

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dhallworth



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I ventured back out into the workshop last night and checked everything over once more. I pinned the crank and checked the cams and they were just about where you’d expect them to be.

I spoke to our local Jaguar specialist this afternoon and he advised that when you’ve turned them over by hand it’s normal for them to be anywhere up to half a tooth out as there’s no oil pressure in the tensioners at this point.

I checked it again this evening with a fresh pair of eyes and I’m happy that the timing is within spec. Smile

After that a little bit more progress was made…

I replaced the oil seal between the oil filter housing and the block as there was a huge oily mess down there so it was another “whilst I’m in here job”. That was after I’d spent ages scraping oily muck off the front and giving it a scrub with some degreaser.



Took longer to clean up then it did to change the seal. Nice easy job and the 3 mounting bolts torqued to 20nm.

Yesterday afternoon when taking a breather from the timing I’d given the front cover a good clean so I replaced the oil seals on that.



There are 3 o-rings inside the cover that seal bolt holes. I could only find one in my huge array of parts in bags so I had a look at my order and I’d only ordered 1. Looking at the parts catalogue it lists the o-ring but doesn’t show you 3 so although it’s annoying it’s easily rectified.



Once I’ve got these 2 o-rings I’ve got a new front main oil seal to go in too.

My old alternator was questionable, it was only putting out around 13.2v with the car running. When I removed it to do this job I noticed that there was no markings or labels anywhere on it. The LR one have the LR logo stamped into the case and had a Denso sticker on them too. All of the used LR ones on eBay still have these labels on them. My old one has no markings whatsoever on it so am assuming it’s a cheap pattern part.

On 16th July I clicked Buy it Now on a Genuine Denso alternator for £125. It was marked as dispatched on 18th July. I messaged the seller asking for a tracking number and he said he’d been in touch with Parcel Force who had said it’d be delivered on 26th July. The 26th came and went and no sign of it. I’ve chased the seller who has gone totally silent. Censored

I rang ParcelForce myself this morning and they confirmed that there are no packages in their systems for me from 15th July onwards so it’s pretty obvious it’s not going to arrive. I’ve raised a case with eBay so will need to wait and see now.

In the meantime, I’ve bought another Denso alternator which should be here tomorrow or Wednesday. 🤞

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

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dhallworth



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The rest of the parts arrived today, 2 new o-rings for the front cover from Duckworths and a new Denso alternator.

O-rings are now fitted to the front cover, the new front oil seal is fitted to the front cover as well, and all of the bolt holes are numbered to make tightening it a bit less hassle.



Annoyingly I’d forgotten to clean the bolts for the front cover so they’re bathing in a tub of degreaser over night.



My old alternator wasn’t putting out much over 13v and upon removal it had no labels on it (Denso, Land Rover or otherwise) so I decided whilst it was in bits I’d fit it back with a new, genuine one.



Really hoping I can make some decent progress on reassembly tomorrow now Smile

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

Post #638796 5th Aug 2022 7:47pm
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Phoenix



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Good idea with the numbering - I've never thought of that over the years... usually a printout taped to a stand, engine mount or wing top - or a laptop balanced somewhere precarious.
I usually give new seals a swipe of thin grease, helps them 'settle' when compressed and provides a barrier to engine oil on first run until the warmth has done it's stuff. Never had one leak, even on old, pitted castings.

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dhallworth



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There’s 24 bolts on that one so I thought I’d number them just for ease.

I gave the new seal a smear of engine oil around the edge before I fitted it into the front cover. I was going to do the same with the crankshaft pulley before fitting it through the new seal.

Cleaned up the faces tonight too, just need some instant gasket where the sump meets the crankcase, the crankcase meets the block and the heads meet the block before seating the front cover. Then it’s just a case of nip all the bolts by hand, then I’ll tighten them down to 6nm before putting the final torque to 12nm.

There’s nothing difficult with reassembly, it’s just going to all be a bit time consuming.

Just hope I don’t find anything else that I’ve forgotten to order.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

Post #638799 5th Aug 2022 8:33pm
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Phoenix



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Watch the date on the sealant, I've seen some stuff close to it's expiry that never really 'set', eventually the oil pushed a route through it.

I used to really enjoy rebuilds, I worked for a company a good few years ago that had 52 Volvo Penta 16 litre prime genset engines to overhaul, these were stripped completely, measured, results sent to Volvo who determined which components were to be replaced. The engines were rebuilt with all the part positions documented, then run in at 110% load (these were running 500kW prime gensets) for 24 hours, the loadbank was pretty warm but not as warm as the exhaust manifold and turbo - the loadbank made a good snow blower!

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Excellent, hope it goes back together smoothly.. Thumbs Up Pete
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dhallworth



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Right… time for an update! Not as much progress as I’d wanted but hey ho!

Saturday morning saw the timing cover refitted with the cleaned up bolts.



I then replaced all of the rubber grommets on the valve covers. I’d counted 12 bolt holes on each valve cover but hadn’t counted the 2 in the middle by the coils so it works out I was 3 grommets short 😩 The degreaser has really discoloured my PCV valve too unfortunately.





Thankfully I had enough to get one side all buttoned up Smile



After that I refitted the crankshaft pulley. That Censored goes up to 380nm or 280lbft! That was a Censored to get tight. Trying to hold the tool whilst swinging on the torque wrench made my shoulder feel like it was going to give way!



It’s these things I’m missing 3 of.





This evening I refitted the adapter that goes between the cylinder head and the charge cooler on the drivers side. This is what houses the injectors and secures the injector rail. Despite reading through the workshop manual twice, these parts aren’t mentioned so I torqued them up to 20nm. I didn’t want to go over the top as they’re into aluminium.

Both of these are brand new as the originals had been drilled for the LPG.



I then cleaned the air intake elbow that mounts to the back of the supercharger and made sure that the new throttle body was the right one.





And this evening I finished off by refitting the pulleys and tensioners to the front cover.



There’s no water pump gasket in the box of bits that I’ve received from the dealer either so I can only assume I forgot t order it so I’ve got a few things to get ordered tomorrow. Then we’re on the home straight. I’ll stop saying that one day as every time I think I’m nearly there things change!

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

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I feel your annoyance, waiting for parts is the worst bit by far...... Thumbs Up Pete
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Just a tad annoying! Like Groundhog Day around here 🤭🫢🫣🙄

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Have ordered the last few bits from Duckworths this morning.

Decided to replace the pipes running under the supercharger to save problems in the future as removing the supercharged is a bit of a pain.

I was also going to replace the 2 heater hoses that had been t’d into for the LPG so that there were less places for them to leak. However, 2 rubber hoses with quick release couplers on them were going to be over £300. I think I’m going to order a 3m length of 16mm internal diameter silicon hose and make them. The originals are shaped but I think the curves are gradual enough that silicon will do the trick without kinking.

I don’t suppose anyone has a photograph of where the metal plate that holds the plug for the knock sensors bolts to on the 4.2 SC do they? Mine wasn’t attached to anything when I stripped it down and was sitting loose under the charger. I’d like it to be right when it goes back together.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

Post #639026 8th Aug 2022 1:08pm
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dhallworth



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Changed my mind… those pipes are different diameters at each end and are shaped to fit the brackets on the bulkheads.

More money handed over to Duckworths. Big Cry

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

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Great progress David - always interesting to see where you've got to Thumbs Up Gavin

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I’d decided last night I was going to replace the PCV valve again. Only this time it was because it had reacted with the degreased I’d used. It looks awful here and it visible once the engine cover is refitted.

However, a PCV valve for this car from LR used to be £20. They’re now £50 so I decided I wasn’t throwing £50 away because I didn’t like how my 4k mile one looked. So today, I dyed the plastic.

Before:



After:



Took 10 mins and looks a million bucks in comparison to before! Already had the plastic dye after I did the illuminated tread plates on my XFR too.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

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