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Barmybrummie



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black
Where does this go??

Hey guys I've been getting black soot under hard acceleration so decided to check the top IC hoses which don't have any splits in them. I then found this pipe hanging loose down the right side of the engine which comes from along the top engine. I've had a look and then found another loose pipe which you can see in pic 3 (I moved it there so I could take a pic) which goes down to the right side of the engine. Any ideas where these pipes connect to? Your help will be much appreciated.


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steveball



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I take it this is a 3.6TDV8. It certainly looks like it, but if you add the detail to your profile, people will know in future.

The pipe in the top picture should be plugged into a short stub on the rear of the air filter housing, so I doubt it’s doing anything vital. You can just about make it out in the picture below.

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I can’t really tell where the pipe in pic 3 should be going; could be anywhere really and I can’t immediately see a comparable pipe on my car. Current: 2010 Range Rover L322
Vogue SE, TDV8 3.6, Bournville
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Now gone: 2002 Range Rover L322
Vogue, TD6, Giverney Green

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Barmybrummie



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Thanks for that Steve. I did actually think it pushed on that nipple but when I took the air filter out I couldn't see a hole inside the air box so thought maybe not in that case I will push it back on and try and find where that other pipe supposed to go. And yes it's the 3.6 tdv8. I wonder if that would cause black soot then when im flooring the accelerator. Turns out I've also just noticed an oil leak coming from the back of the engine somewhere. It's dripped all down the steering rack into the driveshaft and various other suspension components, will need to check that out the weekend when I get back to the UK. Any idea where the norm is for it to leak around there?

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Barmybrummie



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

Well well well now that is strange. I pushed that hose on to the nipple on side of air box, all was fine until I got on the motorway last night, floored it and the car went straight into limp mode with message engine fault no eml. Just managed to crawl into services, plugged in the gap and fault said intake manifold valve stuck in closed position. Reset fault and carried on with my journey, no problem for about an hour then same again. This time I just turned engine off, restarted and continued and then same thing again half hour later. It only seems to do it when I put my foot down, not hard but gently I dare not floor it hard. So I then took the pipe off the nipple and connected it to the other pipe that was hanging loose and now all seems fine again. I'm beginning to wonder if there is some problem with vac hoses being attached in the wrong places. Before i bought the car, the owner took it in to replace manifold gasket and it was a body off jobby because they snapped 2 bolts. I'm wondering if they didn't put it all back together correctly. Looks like it's going to be a long afternoon fault finding me thinks after the qualifying. Anybody have any ideas where to start?

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mjdronfield



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Body off? Can’t do that with the L322, it’s monocoque.

Sounds like you are on to something though.

Hope you get there in the end....

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Haylands



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Can't help with your pipe issue but you can't take the body off an L322 Range Rover, they are a monocoque design. Someone is telling your porkies....

Edit... Mark types quicker than me..!! Pete

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Barmybrummie



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

Thanks guys. Oh dear that's what was told to the previous owner. But then I've been told by various others that the body has to come off when changing the turbos on L322's or is it engine out on these, totally confused now.
Hopefully I can find where these go sometime today, trouble is there not much room, need hands like Mr tickle to get to some places in the engine bay.

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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

The L322 does not have a separate chassis. There are front and rear subframes that hold the suspension etc, which may confuse folk.

Most people seem to strip all the front off to get in to the depths of the engine, from what I can tell anyway.

The Sport has a separate chassis..... it might be that what people are confusing it with too.

I’m normally the one typing too slow Pete, makes a change 🤣.

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1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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Barmybrummie



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

Right guys after a quick inspection after taking the air filter housing off I came across a few things that are not right. First of all, the housing wasn't positioned correctly into the big round rubber grommet that goes into the wing for the air intake (pic 1).
Secondly the front first air outlet was fitted at an obscure angle and crushed with the jubilee clip so that could be letting in unmonitored air.
And thirdly, in pic 2 there's like a small chamber with an electrical plug on it just behind the air outlets under oil filler tube with a vacuum hose plugged in underneath but on the side there is a small nipple that looks rather clean as if something has been fitted on it. I'm thinking that small hose should go on it.
And fourthly there are 2 bolts missing that should securely attach to the first plastic downpipe. See pic 3.

Whoever put this back together was either incompetent or in a rush.


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Barmybrummie



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

Pic 1 where they crimped the pipe to the air housing.
Pic 2 is the nipple on that chamber that's rather clean.


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Haylands



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If you download the Workshop Manual from the Wiki it will have diagrams showing where all the pipes go, it might take a while to find them but they will be there.... Thumbs Up Pete

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2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
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Barmybrummie



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

Thanks Haylands. I've connected all the pipes and tubes properly and securely and where I believe they should all fit so I think that should solve the problem. I will take it for a spin down the A38 after the qualifying and let you know.




Thought I would wash out the inside of the air box considering it was out.

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Barmybrummie



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

Put everything back together, all the hoses in the correct places and just took it for a spin and woooooooow what a difference it's made. Acceleration is so much more better and far more smoother, absolutely flew when I put my foot down, so much more responsive. And I'm getting nowhere near as much black soot out the exhaust under acceleration, still a little bit but not clouds, hopefully this will cease after a short time of driving it. I was getting an average of 27.6mpg at a steady 75 so I wonder if I'll get better mpg now.
So I've been driving the car since I've owned it just over 2 months like this and just knew something wasn't quite right and now feels like a different car.
Thanks for your help gentlemen.

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Haylands



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That's great news, glad it's fixed and running well... pat yourself on the back for sorting it... Thumbs Up Pete

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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

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Nice one. A good days work......

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1999 Discovery Td5 ES
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1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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