Hello all

Ive been hunting on an off for a late model L322 Vogue SE 4.4TDV8 for over a year now. Out of curiosity I test drove a 2016 L405 3.0TDV6 Vogue SE the other day from a JLR dealer and was very impressed.

Ultimately, after reading ALL the 3.0 TDV6 threads, I can't work out whether the engine issue is likely to affect the later L405 models, seems to be earlier ones from what I understand.

At over £30k we're getting to the top of the budget and not leaving a lot in reserve (not the way to run a FFRR) but I really did enjoy the test drive.

My question is, would it be too much of a gamble or not to buy a 2016 TDV6?

If it hasn't been sold, here is the link for those interested: https://www.hendy.co.uk/land-rover/used-ca...v34783735/

Cheers
Ben

I have now owned 6 JLR vehicles with the 3.0L V6 engine and have never had a problem. They are a cracking engine and way lighter and more economical in every respect when compared to the V8 lump.

When I eventually get round to buying a L405 Rangie the 3.0L will be my engine of choice again.

Jim

Thank you Jim. I know that forums only tend to show the problems that people are looking to get sorted but it is a bit off putting when spending large sums of money when you read of potential issues. I've read all the L322 threads at least twice so am clued up on what to look for on them but wasn't expecting to even get into L405 ownership so naturally a bit wary.

The doom and gloom surround the 3.0 TDV6 was enough to get me to start this thread!

On a side note, if anyone on the forum wants to move on a 2012 VSE/ AB/ WM or L405 VSE with low owners and good history let me know.

Ben

Stan “The Moderator Man” has a 3.0 V6. Ask him his opinion.

Jim

The 3.0 Diesel engine in the L405 isn’t a gamble. Others might suggest it is.

I wouldn’t entertain having an expensive prestige car of any type without a good warranty. Some will fear that warranty or providers wouldn’t cover crankshaft failure. If you buy an AU RR from a main dealer, service and maintain the car according to LR requirements including using the correct oil; and maintain the LR warranty, then if something major does go wrong, you are unlikely to be let high and dry with a major repair bill. All cars have things that can go wrong and that includes the 4.4 Diesel engine in the L405.

You can read these relevant threads if you want and can make your own mind up:
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic54027...crankshaft

https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic45832...crankshaft

https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic56983...;start=120

Thanks PLD. I have read those threads but it seems to point towards a VIN range that are affected. I couldn't find anything about that range and am wondering whether by 2016 the fault in manufacturing had been sorted out.

Completely agree that all engines suffer issues. Reading all the L322 4.4TDV8 threads would be enough to put some people off!

It is interesting how a forum can influence decisions. From a pure driving a nice vehicle point of view, the test drive in the L405 was wonderful. Lovely car and the 3.0 TDV6 had more than enough poke in a 2.2+ ton vehicle! I then read those threads and panicked haha

We had a 4.2SC. Stunning car, nightmare ownership experience because the engine was problematic which betrayed the ‘bullet proof’ 4.2 engine narrative.

Then we got a 4.4 TDV8 L322. Brilliant car and engine.

Then we wanted a 4.4 TDV8 L405 and by chance, ended up test driving the 3.0 TDv6, simply because the engine was in a very nicely spec’d car that ticked all the boxes at the time. It was excellent to drive. 4 years later it still is and that’s the longest we’ve kept a RR.

It was only after buying the 3.0 TDv6 that I became aware of the crankshaft query; and so did lots of research and liaison with the selling dealer, the warranty provider and LR to get some reassurance. Nothing has gone bang, I don’t expect it to any time soon; it’s still under LR warranty and looks good as new inside and out 👍🏻

Last edited by pld118 on 20th Jun 2021 10:07am. Edited 1 time in total

as with every car there are failures of a component, some of the 3.0 have a crank problem, but not every 3.0 has the problem, and the number of failures compared to the number of vehicles on the road is low. The 2.7 in the D3/4 was supposed to be prone to crank failures, however I've run mine for 8 years now and the engine still goes round nicely. So I do think some of these problems are blown out of proportion online.

That said, I personally know folks who have had failed 3.0's, one in a low milage 15 plate D4, and our local garage who bought a RRS with a blown engine for a steal from auction and put a new lump in it, but he had deliberately sought that one out. So it does happen, but as Ryan has said on many occasions, failures in L405 seem rarer.

That said they do go south on occasion so if you can get a nice 3.0 from a LR dealer with a LR warranty, not a generic dealer warranty as these have been shown to be less than supportive, then do that as you should be covered in the event. Personally I wouldn't let the Internet put you off owning one. I chose the 4.4 based on the extra power for towing, and the fact that I had the 4.4 in the 322, and the friend of mine who had the D4 go pop, then bought a 3.0 L405 and ran that for many years with no issues and no need for a replacement engine  There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
FFRR 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography Santorini Black.
Fiat 500x 1.4 multiair Lounge 2015
2010 LR D4 Commercial 2.7 TDV6

^^^ what they said...  ... - .- -.




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Thank you all very much for the replies and assurance. I don't tow at all regularly (less than annually - even if we do it is less than 1 ton) but do have a 4 hour motorway commute to work every two weeks and quite frankly want to do it in absolute comfort of a FFRR.

Those threads linked above are very interesting but do throw up one or two questions as expected. Trying to sift through the forum, which I must say is far better than anything else on the internet for FFRR's, and make an informed decision is brilliant but a little overwhelming at times.

Well, the hunt continues chaps with an L405 thrown into the bargain too now.

No problems with any 3.0L FFRR I've owned. Go for it!  All LR cars from 1984
2021.5 Vogue SE D300 Carpathian Grey
2018 Vogue SE British Racing Green GONE

I suspect it is no more a gamble than anything else in life.

You know about the slightly higher risk associated with the 3.0, but if you never did anything because of risk you'd never do anything.

I used to have a 4.4 M62 engine and there was always a risk of timing chain guide failure - I did 170,000 on that engine and never had a problem. I wonder what the risk is to the 3.0 - 1 in 10,000?

I'd say don't let a small risk stop you doing what you want to do. Current:
- 2017 L405 3.0 V6 Autobiography
Sold:
- 2013 L405 4.4 TDV8 Vogue
- 2004 L322 4.4 Vogue (BRC LPG)
- 2002 L322 4.4 HSE (having fixed timing chain guides)
- 2000 P38 4.6 Vogue (BRC LPG)
- 1981 2-door In-Vogue
- 1980 Ex-Army SIII LWB
- 1976 SIII LWB
- 1968 SIIA
Stripped for parts:
- 2003 L322 4.4 Vogue

I would urge you to also try an L405 with the SDV8 engine.

I did 50k miles in one, my Dad has done over 100k miles in a TDV6 Disco 4 with no bother...Like everything else good care and maintenance is generally key to longevity. 2021 L405 Vogue D300
2016 L405 Vogue 3.0TDV6 (Sold)

Dropped off my 322 at my local specialist yesterday and they had just received a 15 plate V6 with a dead engine, and a 2.7 D3 - not worth the repair, unfortunately.
This is not a myth, TD/SDV6 do break, not all of them, but significantly more than SDV8s. l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

Current
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L SDV8 - 2013 - Indus Silver, on Almond.
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L V8 - 2002 - ex-2003 G4 Challenge Event Vehicle, Stage 3: Australia
RANGE ROVER HSE 4.4L V8 - 2004 - one-of-one Overfinch
RANGE ROVER P38a 4.0L V8 - 1999 - ex-2000 TReK Event Vehicle: South Africa

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