Hi everyone - first post on fullfatrr.com, however I've been on defender2.net for a couple of years now.

Long story short, I've made the move from a SDV6 RRS into a 2017 SDV8 FFRR. Really happy overall, but as to be expected, I have quite a few niggles to sort before the manufacturers warranty expires on 2nd May.

The issue concerning me most is the whirring noise the engine makes at around 2.5k rpm - sounds more like a vespa than a V8 and just doesn't seem in keeping with the vehicle.

Can I ask whether other SDV8's out there make the same noise as in the video below (probably best to listen after I open the window at around 20 seconds in).

Appreciate you taking the time to listen and thanks in advance.



Andrew

Mine sounds nothing like that I’m afraid . Mines a few years older though. Not sure whether that would make any difference.

No, I'm afraid that mine doesn't sound anything like that either. MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

My 2017 4.4SDV8 sounds nothing like that, and neither did my 2012 4.4TDV8

I think I'd be worried though, at least until it's been to an experienced LR mechanic for a diagnosis.


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Not exactly the same, but my TDV8 doesn’t sound like that...

The dealership must have one.... can’t you park it near one and then do a back to back comparison? They won’t be able to say it’s normal... if theirs sounds different.... and might look at a claim for you?

 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

My 2016 doesn’t sound like that either. Sorry but you may need to find a really good indie to fathom that noise out

My 2016 MY doesn’t make a noise like that and if it did I’d be getting a tech to look at it. Something sounds wrong there

Thanks everyone. Really helpful feedback. And it looks like I do have a serious issue.

The car was at the main dealer today with the list of issues and I was getting ready to pre-empt the ‘they all do that sir’ conversation based on feedback here. However they were really thorough and came back with the following:

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Whining noise from engine- found high pressure fuel pump making a noise, during inspection found loose bolts instant gasket on left intake manifold. suggest while replacement of fuel pump to remove intake manifold to confirm no additional noise. This would not be warranty due to evidence of previous work in area.

As you say, odd why the original owner didn’t get any issues resolved via LR. I think you are possibly on the right track with rejection.

Walk away and find a different one without the issues, again why these weren’t resolved by the previous owner under warranty is anyone’s guess. You certainly don’t want a £4K bill! There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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Moleac wrote:

but what I don’t understand is why the previous keeper wouldn’t have had any issues dealt with by Land Rover given that the car is still under manufacturers warranty.

Thanks. Yes, it does all seem very odd. The manufacturer warranty doesn’t expire until 2nd May 2021 so no gap in cover and no logical reason for the previous keeper not using main dealer. Unless as you suggest it WAS carried out by a main dealer. And given the quality of repair carried out recently on my Defender it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility! And it does have FMDSH.

My other concern is all the unknowns and questions if the car hasn’t been well maintained. I’ve already had to have the Apple Car Play software update done. It also has the following issues raised today following my snag list:

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Knocking from o/s/f area. suspect to be front anti roll bar bushes worn.

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Throttle response slow due to turbo faults. checked fault codes and found bulletin LTB01087V4. requires VGT vane actuator kit, oil level sensor fly lead and harness protector.

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Secondary restraint system error (airbag warning light) -Unable to fault passenger seat wiring. fault code for drivers seat belt in RCM. checked live data for loose connection. unable to fault connector. requires new drivers seatbelt

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Transfer box whine- unable to hear whine but found SSM for transfer box vibration. requires tccm update and oil flush

With that list and the age of the car (to you) I would reject the car and find one without those issues.

Whilst you should expect a few minor niggles with any second hand car, your list seems to be far from minor. Let the dealer sort them all out at their own cost / time whilst you find a car you can enjoy from elsewhere.

I would ask yourself this - if this is what you can find in just a few days, what other horrors could lie in wait that you haven't yet found? That bodge on the gasket could hint at troubles much deeper in the engine - imagine what damage that instant gasket could have done if it leaked into the oil galleries / waterways...

If it can't be proved the previous repair was done by a LR main dealer, then I'd reject the car.

You've bought it in the belief it had a LR warranty, but that's turned out to be invalid for the one thing that's gone wrong already.

Rejecting the vehicle is even more straightforward right now, as you'll no doubt have purchased it under the "distance selling rules" due to Covid-19. Car dealerships are meant to be closed until 12th April 2021, but they are allowed to operate a fully sanitised 'click and collect' type service, which I assume you must have done? This makes the transaction fall underneath the distance selling rules and you may well have some paperwork descibing that from the purchase.

Whether you have such paperwork or not, providing you're quick, you can reject the vehicle for any reason whatsoever (within the first 14 days, some dealers offer 28 days). This covers just "changing your mind", let alone the mechanical defects and warranty situation you find yourself lumbered with.

Just noticed you've had the car now since 16th March, so you are outside of the 14 days, but you should still be able to reject the car given the issues.

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Previous: 2011 L322 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE /// 2002 L322 4.4 V8 HSE /// 2009 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 XS /// 2004 Defender 90 TD5 /// 1993 110 V8 Snatch Landrover /// 2005 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 SE (Aus) /// 1990 110 Isuzu 3.9 County (Aus) /// 1976 Series III Trayback (Aus)

I’d say reject it too. You don’t need the hassle.

Ever time you hear a knock or a strange noise, you’ll be wondering about what caused it, or if it was related to previous issues etc etc.....

Get your money back.... continue your search.

You will now know when you drive one, that it should be much quieter.

 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Moleac wrote:

Thanks. Yes, it does all seem very odd. The manufacturer warranty doesn’t expire until 2nd May 2021 so no gap in cover and no logical reason for the previous keeper not using main dealer. Unless as you suggest it WAS carried out by a main dealer. And given the quality of repair carried out recently on my Defender it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility! And it does have FMDSH.

My other concern is all the unknowns and questions if the car hasn’t been well maintained. I’ve already had to have the Apple Car Play software update done. It also has the following issues raised today following my snag list:

Quote:

Knocking from o/s/f area. suspect to be front anti roll bar bushes worn.

Quote:

Throttle response slow due to turbo faults. checked fault codes and found bulletin LTB01087V4. requires VGT vane actuator kit, oil level sensor fly lead and harness protector.

Quote:

Secondary restraint system error (airbag warning light) -Unable to fault passenger seat wiring. fault code for drivers seat belt in RCM. checked live data for loose connection. unable to fault connector. requires new drivers seatbelt

Quote:

Transfer box whine- unable to hear whine but found SSM for transfer box vibration. requires tccm update and oil flush

What’s so frustrating is that I had it serviced by a main LR dealer prior to collecting the car and none of this was picked up.

Andrew