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dan_uk_1984



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Diesel Range Rovers to pay more for parking

What a load of pish.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8...roads.html 

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What a load of crap.


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Richmond upon Thames became the first council to charge more for parking permits where cars have higher carbon emissions.


Don't they realise that no matter how big or small the engine, petrol or diesel, they all emit the same level of Co2 when parked up, i.e. zero.

Just another way of screwing more money out of the motorists. I wonder when they'll start charging based on vehicle size? 2006 Mercedes CLS
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Yes you pay every year through the Barnett Formula, but thanks to our generous Mr Salmond throwing money around like confetti the bill will be somewhat bigger this year..................... 2018 Mini Countryman Cooper S E All4 PHEV in Melting Silver - it’s whisper quiet in EV and polluter modes

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Ah right so cars are now judged on their past and potential impact?

I guess this means that hybrids will pay ££££ based on the huge carbon and heavy metal poisoning that making their batteries produces?

B0llocks Censored

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so they force the marjority into diesel cars as it (was) cheaper tax on it based on CO2 (majority of new cars sold are company car diesels)

then put the tax up on diesel so its more than petrol when they realise they are losing tax money overall with the shift from (then) more expensive petrol

now they start taxing diesel more to park because of particulate polution that was there anyway...

/fookin insane

so, really just another crazy excuse for taxation ...mind you, one would think if you live in Kensington or Chelsea and can actually afford a RR to park on the street outside your mansion, then a few quid extra to park wont matter LOL Wink cheers
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I see some knee-jerk reactions, but have any of you actually bothered to look at the figures ?

The parking charges are based on CO2 (wrongly IMO, should be on size).
Petrol engines produce more CO2 and so pay more to park, despite the vehicle being the same size.
The surchage will in many cases bring parking charges for Petrols and Diesels into line due to diesel vehicles prducing less CO2 but more other nasty crap, like Particulates. Although not in Range Rovers as they're all in the top band anyway.

This guy in the report is actually saying the truth.

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A spokesman for Kensington and Chelsea council said: “Historically, diesels, while better on CO2 emissions, have tended to be rather worse than petrol engines of similar size in relation to local air pollutants such as particulates and nitrogen dioxide. In Kensington and Chelsea there is a problem with local air quality.”


We are talking £15 extra per year than it already is. It's completely insignificant compared to how much any of us spend in one year on keeping a vehicle like a Range Rover on the road.

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But Tory-controlled Kensington and Chelsea council will impose a £15 surcharge on parking permits for them from next month and councils in other urban areas are likely to follow. The London borough’s most expensive parking permit will cost £176 and will apply to cars such as a three-litre diesel Range Rover.


And the Hydrid argument is pointless. London, like many cities is struggling with EU air quality rules.
The fact is that a hybrid may make more polution, but it's not in the centre of a city reducing the air qualility and putting the locals into hospital.
Authorities have to improve air quality on a local level or they ARE going to be getting fines through from the EU. And guess where that money comes from?
The same place as these parking charges, that's where!

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I thought that the intention was to charge more for diesels because of the particulate emissions not the CO2 Emissions - in which case any diesel that complies with Euro4 which came into force last year will have considerably less particulate emissions than older, "dirtier" diesels due to compulsory fitment of the DPF (and what a pain that is if you are a city driver most of the time) 2018 Mini Countryman Cooper S E All4 PHEV in Melting Silver - it’s whisper quiet in EV and polluter modes

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Tim in Scotland wrote:
I thought that the intention was to charge more for diesels because of the particulate emissions not the CO2 Emissions - in which case any diesel that complies with Euro4 which came into force last year will have considerably less particulate emissions than older, "dirtier" diesels due to compulsory fitment of the DPF (and what a pain that is if you are a city driver most of the time)


My understanding a small surcharge on diesels (in general, not Range Rover) for these parking charges because they produce less CO2 that an equivalent petrol vehicle and so usually pay less for parking permits as they base that on CO2 emmissions, despite the fact that parked vehicles produce no CO2 of course.

For most models this will mean you now pay about the same if you have a diesel eurobox as your neighbour who has the same eurobox with a petrol engine and used to pay more than you for parking the same size car.

Of course, all Range Rovers will come in the top banding, wether petrol or diesel, so in that case you diesel owners who drive a Rangie and live near city centres could soon have to pay an extra charge equivalent to something like half a days depreciation or 10% of a tank of fuel... once a year. Big whoop! Rolling Eyes

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Maybe we should pressurise the councils who levy this to replant their avenues and streets with lots of lovely lime trees that will clean the air and drip sticky sap onto cars parked in their shade on a sunny day................. 2018 Mini Countryman Cooper S E All4 PHEV in Melting Silver - it’s whisper quiet in EV and polluter modes

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