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Strider



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England 2007 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Zermatt Silver

Does not matter, match to existing one.
Its always good policy to replace existing items (if possible) with new when undertaking a major project.
Its worth it for peace of mind if nothing else.

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scotcruz



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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Thanks Pete, will report back with pictures

Researching how I can stop the air getting into the system.. seen a thread in my travels to put a piece of wood to depress the brake pedal but wondering how would it work as the wood could come loose when I take the pipe off Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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Scot, I understand that home bleeding the brakes is a daunting task but,

a, you will have air full new pipes,

and more importantly,

b, you are replacing badly corroded brake pipes, thus certainly fluid contamination. Take the opportunity to replace your brake fluid at the same time.

Best, Rich L322 3.6 TDV8 Vogue. 07MY
ML 320 7 Seat full leather etc. (The Black Pearl) Wink

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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Thanks Rich, fairly confident to do the job (thanks to everyones advice here)

Just want to make sure the air doesn't get into the abs.. other than that its fairly straightforward (fingers crossed) Very Happy Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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Bosnia Herzegovina 2012 Range Rover Autobiography Black TDV8 Santorini Black

check my post on the brake system flush, it is easy and straightforward provided you have vacuum pump. feeder bottle is essential as it will give you 1/2 liter of extra fluid so not to pull air into the system.
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic44822.html
whale you at it may as well change blleadin nepeles for the SS ones.
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic48261.html
Thumbs Up 2012 TDV8 Black Edition
2000 Disco. TD5
1975 series III

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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Thanks Nino.. this is very useful.

Assume when I take the pipes off Air cant get into the system unless the brake pedal is pressed? I will be using the Gunson bleed kit so going by my understanding I can do the pipe work and then carryout the bleeding.. Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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Strider



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As soon as I undid a fitting I quickly screwed one of my homemade blanking plugs (see below) into the fitting. This prevented backflow of air bubbles and dirty fluid along the brake line.


I tried just crimping the pipe end but it started to weep so made some new ones up and sealed the end with ordiniary electrical solder. no line pressure so worked a treat.

Also its worth considering making some female ones up to screw on the end of the new pipe as your feeding it along the car, this will prevent ingress of dirt and keep the end clean.

Peter

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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

This is super useful Pete.. thank you Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Ok.. so took about 6 hours.. both rear pipes changed and all went to plan.. I have just bled the rears so far as it was getting dark..

All good, no leaks thanks to all the advice for you guys.. cheers !!

I started the car and felt the pedal was soft.. Once I bleed then hopefully I should get a decent pedal.. my reservoir did empty when the line was burst so hoping there was no damage to Servo (read some threads where folk couldn't get a decent pedal even after multiple bleeds)

What is the sequence again for bleeding? I read Joe's thread which has the diagram but I'm confused with LHD and RHD.. my abs is on the driver side so not sure if I start from front driver side as its nearer to the ABS/Servo.

PS. The Gunson Bleed kit is amazing

Please advise.. (.. and any other reason for a soft pedal after brake line burst Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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Left rear, (ie furthest away from master cylinder)
Right rear,
Left front,
Right front (ie nearest to master cylinder).

It worked for me.

Sounds like you still have air in the system if you have a soft pedal after you have finished. L322 3.6 TDV8 Vogue. 07MY
ML 320 7 Seat full leather etc. (The Black Pearl) Wink

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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Thanks Rich, this is what confuses me.. whilst the general rule is start from further way and finish at the nearest one to the Master Cylinder, RAVE suggests a different sequence.

i.e.

1- Nearside Front (Passenger)
2- Offside Front (Driver)
3- Nearside Rear (Passenger)
4- Offside Rear (Driver)

Not sure which one it is as the RAVE diagram shows ABS on the front passenger side whereas on the newer L322s the ABS is right in front of the Master Cylinder at the Driver side. Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

The version of RAVE I have shows a completely difference sequence. I am assuming its for the earlier L322s.



Please can someone advise which sequence is correct for my 2010 L322 (ABS pump on the Driver side)[/img] Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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Scotland 2010 Range Rover HSE TDV8 Zambezi Silver

UPDATE - All sorted now.

Thank you all for the advice over the past few days. I have now been able to complete the job.

I had never done the brake lines before and this was my first experience. It took me 2 days from start to finish. It wouldn't have been possible without the 2 very useful threads by Joe and Pete (cheers folks) Thumbs Up

Joe's guide https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic25799.html and Pete's guide https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic47629...ake+pipes.

The pipes on the front were ok so I replaced the pipe from under the wheel arch to rear left and rear right. Used the 25m role and still had about 1 meter left.

Some tips from me: (especially the brake bleeding)

Fitting
1- a good flaring tool is absolute must. I bought the one below and the flare were spot on first attempt.

Click image to enlarge


2- I bought 5 litre replacement brake fluid which means no dramas if you run out..



3- Brake line spanner is a must to ensure there is a good gripe on the fittings.



4- I also bought a pipe bender which later I found I could do without



5- The brake hose clip is same as BMW and cheapest I found was on Eurocarparts



Bleeding
This is where I was slightly stuck due to various different iterations of the bleeding sequences (including RAVE).

One of my brake lines burst following which I got the "Brake Fluid Low" warning. When I checked the reservoir it was empty which tells me air had got in the system and there was no way a normal bleed (regardless of the sequence followed) would get you a decent pedal.

Thankfully, this is where my IID tool came in handy. There is Brake Bleeding option under ABS module menu which is piece of cake and took my stress away.. process takes about 35 mins (there is a small bug which takes the countdown to negative which you need to ignore)

The sequence IID follows is:
Rear Left
Front Left
Front Right
Rear Right

During this the ABS pump comes on and despite me completed the conventional bleeding once (no air) I seen loads of air coming out. This is where the 5L brake fluid and the Gunson Bleeding Kit came in handy.. it was a breeze.

Finished it off with by spraying Waxoyl on the shiny new brake lines. Really chuffed with the job so thanks again everyone, I would have never got the courage to attempt this myself. Current:
- L560 Velar HSE R-Dynamic D180
- Peugeot 508 2011 - 2.2 HDi GT

Past:
- FFRR V 2010 - 3.6 TDV8
- Citroen C4 1.6i Petrol
- Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2 DID
- Peugeot 607 2.2 HDi
- Nissan Primera 1.8 SVE
- Honda Civic 1.6 VTEC

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GGDR



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Stornoway Grey

top job well done Thumbs Up

. Cheers, Greg
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Strider



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Well done buddy, great result for you Thumbs Up .

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