Advertise on fullfatrr.com »

Home > Technical (L322) > Howl under medium acceleration - 4.2 SC
Post Reply  Down to end
Page 1 of 2 12>
Print this entire topic · 
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green
Howl under medium acceleration - 4.2 SC

Very difficult to explain but when I accelerate I get a deep howling noise. throttle related, and also load, if I were to accelerate downhill it would be quiet, uphill it would be "normal" engine noise, but typically this happens on the flat, so probably 30% throttle.

If I push the throttle further then the noise changes to just engine noise, if I back off the noise goes instantly. In neutral, whatever the revs - the engine sounds as it should.

My gut is telling me its Intake related, I've changed the air filter and examined for anything out of place but all looks OK. I guess it could be exhaust - maybe a CAT breaking down and doing odd things?

I tried t get a recording of it to no avail - but will try again.

Any thoughts? 

Post #345153 30th Aug 2015 5:47pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
sako243



Member Since: 26 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
Posts: 608

United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Santorini Black

Might be worth monitoring battery and alternator voltage if you can. I had what can best be described as a howling noise and that was the alternator packing up.

Engine speed related obviously. Bit tricky to tie down to load etc because the RR does some intelligent control on the alternator in order to make the vehicle more fuel efficient. Ed

Post #345169 30th Aug 2015 7:52pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green

Thanks - but it's too loud really to be Alt related. 

Post #345295 31st Aug 2015 12:36pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
georgedb



Member Since: 12 Apr 2015
Location: Gauteng
Posts: 82

South Africa 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Hi there dan_uk_1984

Did you ever get to the bottom of the noise?

Post #351984 13th Oct 2015 8:30am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green

The exhaust system is being replaced tomorrow. Not inc the cats initially, will report back tomorrow evening.

Dan 

Post #352316 14th Oct 2015 9:55pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green

Replaced the exhaust - no change Sad 

Post #352405 15th Oct 2015 4:47pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
georgedb



Member Since: 12 Apr 2015
Location: Gauteng
Posts: 82

South Africa 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Sorry to hear Dan

mine is similar. Also do not believe it to be alternator related.

Sounds like driving an ISUZU 260 D/C from the days:( gone by.

Post #352415 15th Oct 2015 5:58pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green

Tried recording the noise but you cant really discern anything.

Going to buy some remote microphones to attach them around the car.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw...sp=sharing 

Post #352428 15th Oct 2015 7:04pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dhallworth



Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3068

United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Baltic Blue

Next time it's making the noise, try turning the air con off, my SC made a noise on partial throttle and when switching the air con off it stopped. I've got a new compressor here I just haven't got around to fitting it yet.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

Post #352471 15th Oct 2015 11:16pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green

Thanks David - Double checked that on the way home, still the same though.

I'm concerned it may be the SC - but considering it is only at 1700-2000RPM is that possible?

What makes noises at a particular RPM that can't be picked up by a microphone? 

Post #352618 16th Oct 2015 7:45pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dhallworth



Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3068

United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Baltic Blue

I spoke to Powerhouse about changing the pulley on my SC, they did mention that the bearings in the SC can occasionally give problems at around 100k. Apparently it's not that common though.

They did tell me that they have taken the belts off the SC before and then taken the car for a drive to see if that's cured the noise. They said that the air going through the inlet will turn the charger enough to let the engine run as if it were normally aspirated.

Apparently that's the easiest way of ruling out the SC as being the cause of a problem.

If I remember rightly, for around £600 I think he said, they will rebuild the SC with new bearings and stick a 10% pulley on it whilst they've got it.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

Post #352645 16th Oct 2015 11:12pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green

Thanks for that info David, I didn't appreciate that the charger would still turn...

I wonder though... if it is still turning, I assume it will still give the noise (if it is indeed the cause of my issues) 

Post #352842 18th Oct 2015 10:13am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dhallworth



Member Since: 10 Oct 2011
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 3068

United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Baltic Blue

I'd imagine it'll be turning a hell of a lot slower with just air turning it compared to what it would with the belt though.

I'd be surprised if it was your bearings as you'd expect them to get noisier the faster it went. Might be wrong though.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

Post #352852 18th Oct 2015 10:45am
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
dan_uk_1984



Member Since: 12 Nov 2008
Location: Bude, Cornwall
Posts: 4014

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Tonga Green

This is doing my head in, the garages round here (Bude, Cornwall) are so utterly inept!

Sorry, needed to vent.

I need to come up with a list of things to go through. To reiterate:

It is relative to Engine RPM only, not vehicle speed. This rules out tyres, wind noise and final drive (diffs, axles, CV's etc)
It is only noticeable at part throttle - 25-50%
RPM Range 1800-2200
It is very much a noise rather than vibration as it cant be felt through the car.
It is a resonance, from something spinning, almost makes your ears want to pop sort of sound.

The heatshields have been checked (not sure how thoroughly) the exhaust (cats back) has been replaced.

I'm leaning towards gearbox (but no vibration?) or air intake system - Supercharger fked? But would the noise go away etc?

Thoughts? Bow down 

Post #353358 20th Oct 2015 8:15pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
hongkongphooey



Member Since: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Douglas.
Posts: 227

Isle Of Man 

Could it be a brittle belt howling/slipping on a pulley? There are quite a few in there. Present* 2006 Santorini SC Vogue SE.
Gone* 2006 4.4 AJV8 Zermatt Vogue.
Gone* 2004 TD6 Bonatti Vogue.

Post #353393 20th Oct 2015 10:38pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Post Reply  Back to top
Page 1 of 2 12>
All times are GMT

Jump to  
Previous Topic | Next Topic >
Posting Rules
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Site Copyright © 2006-2024 Futuranet Ltd & Martin Lewis
fullfatrr.com RSS Feed - All Forums


Switch to Mobile site