Hello,

Today i felt something strange that it start happening in my L322.
When i was on the traffic in low low speed the car between 0 and 2km/h mas a little tremble, stopping or start moving.
The first times i thought it was me paranoid, but when i parked in my garage i start going front and back very very slowly and i noticed that again, is very soft but i think in tremble a little bit.
Like a car with manual transmission with clutch problems.
First thing i was afraid, this is something about the gearbox, but the gearbox apparently looks normal.

Anyone had this issue or know what could be.

Many Thanks,
Best regards,

goncalo Ex-FULLFATTY now downgraded

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If it's your gearbox then you will really feel it between 30 and 50 mph (50 to 80 Kmh) and it will go instantly you knock the gear lever into sport mode / manual.

What you are describing, sounds more like a fuel injector issue / missfire. When was your fuel filter last changed? if there is any chance that it is more than 18 months ago then get it changed. Also try some injector cleaner, this may help. Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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What size wheels do you have ?

The TD6 has some vibration at standstill & starting - that is apparently why they didn't fit 20's as an option as the bigger the wheels, the more noticeable the vibration.

My td6 did this slowly it got worse and it turned out to be the no 1 injector.

You lucky lucky , I had 2 injectors give out that made for a very lumpy ride  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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miggit and birchyman71,

I hope you right! Normally injector problems are not a big issue... or is it?

When i spoked about the gearbox, it was because is my nightmare... i know that day will come! But until now i don't have any suspect it has any problem. I know my car had a new one at 120.000km and now the car has 204.000k.

midget the fuel filter was changed in last july, and is original from LR. And i always put fuel from brand companies like BP. Maybe for start the fuel cleaner is a good idea!

What is the worst scenery? Change the bad or bad's injectors?

Alistair i'm a kind of LR purist, my l322 2003 vogue have the 18'' wheels.

Again i only notice this things almost when i'm stopping the car, and when start at low rotation, and very slow speed. like making manoeuvres or in the stopped traffic moving slowly less than 5km/h.

Thanks for the opinions! Ex-FULLFATTY now downgraded

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What is the car like starting from cold, how many turns of engine before it fires. Has this changed - i.e. takes a little bit longer to start. This would evidence an injector problem.

Changing injectors is straight forward, as long as they come out, but you will need to do a leak test of some kind to identify which one. You can at least do this without removing the inlet manifold but be prepared with some spare parts. See here:

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic25333....=leak+test

and here

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic25398....=leak+test

of course it could be the 20" inch wheel thingie  .
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I got my injectors cleaned and tested by a Bosch Diesel Agent, this was the point that 2 were found to be not working at all well. But they were able to recondition them for me and it cost £130 per injector. This was a lot cheaper than buying new ones, and I had the piece of mind that they were all working correctly.

As for your gearbox, if you haven't already, get the oil and filter changed. The sealed for life crap that L/R quote is a myth, the oil needs to be changed every 30,000 to 40,000 miles (less if you tow regularly), this will help to get the most out of your box. Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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Joe90, or should I say Tim , my car started perfectly when it was cold, just really didn't want to start when it was hot, got progressively worse until it all went Pete Tong on the A21 on my way to Battle towing a 3 ton bog  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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goncalo, from my calculations your car has done 84,000 km's or 51,000 miles this is an OK distance, but change the oil and filter now. You might get away with just changing the oil in the sump of the gearbox and the filter, it depends on how dirty it is. If it is a lot darker than the new oil I would power flush the gearbox. What ever you do, do not wait until L/R say the oil has to be changed, as this is too late and the box will be damaged. Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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I've just had a look to see if there was a Bosch service center near you there are hundreds, looks like every other garage in Portugal is a Bosch Agent, over here you can count them on one hand Find one that does injector testing and repairs they should be able do help you. I took my injectors out myself, to get them tested, and they came out really easy But from what I now understand that is a rare thing and normally they don't want to come out. The service centre that I used also had workshops that could have done it for me if I had wanted.

They also said that they could run tests on the car and tell me what was wrong, and that it usually took no more than an hour.

But my advice is to get the injectors cleaned and tested, that way you will know that they are all good. If you don't want to do the job yourself then take it to a Bosch specialist, not a L/R one, you will save lots of money  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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Thanks miggit!

Very good advices! last july or 6000km ago when i changed the oil and fuel filter, i asked to change the gearbox oil. They checked and said next it was good, but next time i came there they will change. This garage where i go, is not from LR but they are LR specialists, they also make some jobs to them! I'm saying this because is in my list change the gearbox oil and filter! i know is expensive but i gonna do it soon.

You are right! There is a lot of Bosch garages here! i think there is one like 500m of my house i know the owner.

Joe90, my car starts perfectly when cold and warm. This little tremble one start and stopping at low speeds (0-10km/h) is the only thing i noticed!

I live and have my architecture office in the same building, and we have also a mini... so the car stays a lot in the garage, i go out one or twice a week with him!

Thanks! Ex-FULLFATTY now downgraded

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Oh miggit! I remember now the owner of the garage i go the LR specialists, one of the owner many years ago worked worked on BOSCH injectors cleaning department! I will go talk with him!  Ex-FULLFATTY now downgraded

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2 | Ex-RR 1993 200tdi
1 | Ex-RR 1991 turboD VM engine

Good Luck Buddy

If your oil is clean, then you can just change the oil in the sump and the filter, filters are £29.00 and you would need 4.5 ltrs of Texaco 7045E oil, which you can get on ebay for around £45 for 5 ltrs. It doesn't have to be expensive, but you do have to remove Land Rover from equasion, which is very easy to do as they don't make much of the ffrr, they just use everyone elses' bits to make a car

Example if you buy Land Rover transmission fluid it is priced around £20 ltr and if you shop around and buy in bulk you can get the Texaco ELT 7045E for £5 ltr, 75% cheaper So you save big by not having the Land Rover sticker on the can, and if Land Rover wanted to keep it all in house they shouldn't have stated Texaco ELT 7045E fluid in the manual  Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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Thanks miggit!

Great tips!!!  Ex-FULLFATTY now downgraded

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5 | FF-RR 2003 TD6 Vogue Bonatti grey
4 | Ex-RR 2000 P38 automatic
3 | Ex-RR 1994 300tdi classic
2 | Ex-RR 1993 200tdi
1 | Ex-RR 1991 turboD VM engine