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pjpetit



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Problem with gear box zf 5hp24 or tc

Hello
I would like introduce myself
I'm a french guy
I have a RR 2002 v8 with 180mkms
I have a gear box changed a 100mkms zf 5hp24 i have changed oil at 135mkms
A few months i heard a vibration at the first speed and after no and a light (cuicui) like a bird
I make a fill and i found follow






I put a product to avoid vibration and a new oil and filter
And now the (bird) is more present a starting and after in the highway no sound
For the cuicui is bearing worm or ball of bearing
What do you think about this is it possible come from the tc
Thanks in advance for your help
Pierre jean

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pjpetit



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Ok nobody to help me

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viper



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its difficult to understand your problem? your gearbox sounds like a bird ? I don't understand your photos either

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PaulM



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My thoughts exactly Viper 😁 2004 RR 4.4 V8 Autobiography

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bebechoon



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Pierre-Jean
Si tu as du mal avec la langue de Shakespeare (malheureusement je n’ai pas compris ton problčme non plus …), tu peux l’exposer ici en français et je le traduirai.
If you are not at ease in English (unfortunately I didn't understand what your problem is either), set it out here in French and I’ll translate it. It's "bĂ©bĂ©choon", ackcherly, with accents. 'Steve' to my chums.
20 years ownership of Solihull products, ALL GONE NOW, sniff!
Current motor: Suzuki S-Cross 4WD auto, 1.4 petrol. Oh so reliable! 7 years now and no problems. Oh, all right then, a leaking shocker replaced under guarantee.
Previous:
TD6 HSE L322 Auto FF
2.5 TDi 4-door Classic
Disco II
And my 1st Rangie: in 1995, a 2-door VM 2.5 diesel Classic
Not to mention the Lada Niva before those. (I said not to mention it!)

Post #326869 9th May 2015 11:15am
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pjpetit



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Bonjour ok
Apres une vidange faite a 75mille j ai retrouve des copeaux dans le carter du fond et quand je demarre je penses en 1 er et 2 eme ca fait un bruit de roulement qui disparait en roulant mais soit le bruit est couvert par la vitesse ou ca fait comme un bruit de roulement dont les billes sont hs
La bv a ete changee a 100m en echange standart et le rr a 173m
J avais deja fait la vidange a 35m sans acun probleme
Je penses donc a un simple roulement ou le convertisseur de couple
En tout cas merci pour ton aide

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bebechoon



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This is a slightly “loose” translation as parts of the source text are a little ambiguous …

After an oil-change [I assume gearbox oil] at 75,000 [km?], I found shavings in the bottom of the casing and when I drive off, in 1st or 2nd I think, there is a noise which sounds like a bearing but which disappears as I drive but either the noise is hidden by the speed [or ‘gear’] or it makes a noise like a worn bearing.
The auto-gearbox was changed (standard exchange) at 100,000 and the RR has done 173,000
I had already done an oil change at 35,000 with no problem.
So I am thinking of a simple bearing or the torque converter.


So, can anyone help? It's "bĂ©bĂ©choon", ackcherly, with accents. 'Steve' to my chums.
20 years ownership of Solihull products, ALL GONE NOW, sniff!
Current motor: Suzuki S-Cross 4WD auto, 1.4 petrol. Oh so reliable! 7 years now and no problems. Oh, all right then, a leaking shocker replaced under guarantee.
Previous:
TD6 HSE L322 Auto FF
2.5 TDi 4-door Classic
Disco II
And my 1st Rangie: in 1995, a 2-door VM 2.5 diesel Classic
Not to mention the Lada Niva before those. (I said not to mention it!)

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Zirconblue



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could be the output bearing on the gearbox, if the prop shaft was slightly out of balance it would kill the bearing gradually. It might well be that it's just a co-incidence that it happened after the oil change.

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pjpetit



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Is it easy to change?

Post #327265 11th May 2015 9:22pm
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RRPhil



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The transmission doesn’t have an ‘output bearing’ as such (other than a small needle roller ‘steady’ bearing in the F-brake drum) because there’s a transfer box between it and the propshaft.

Phil

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Zirconblue



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Aren't there bearings on the transfer box where the outputs go to the prop shafts?

Sorry i wasn't very clear by using the term 'gearbox' instead of 'transmission' (which of course includes the transfer box).

The main point i was trying to make though, is that it may not be the actual gearbox internals making the noise, it could be a whining bearing or differential that happens to have failed at the same time as the oil change. You would need to pinpoint the exact location of the noise (which is easier said than done).

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pjpetit



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YES

it difficult for me said front or rear about the sound but if you re looking the exploded view
the ball bearing rep 690 is between the f brake drum and G park lock and output

my l322 work very well but i have a sound

in the repair manual at page 7 there is a picture of transmission and you see on rear the big bearing
and curiously there is a bearing inside the tc but i can't put the picture to see you[/img]

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RRPhil



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There is no ball bearing on the transmission output - you must be looking at a diagram of a RWD version of the 5HP24 and not the 4WD version.

Click image to enlarge

Needle roller bearing in F-brake drum which supports transmission output shaft


Click image to enlarge


Phil

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Zirconblue



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Isn't this just semantics? He said bearing not "ball" bearing? Bearing covers ball bearings, roller bearings (both straight and tapered) even white metal in the case of an engine. Rolling Eyes

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pjpetit



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Sorry but i speak about this bearing g park lock and output rep 690



And the spare parts catalog




Its a ball bearing

And also look At this below



In front you have the tc may be there is a bearing and rear there Is the ball bearing

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