Hopeing someone can help with this oddity.

I have had 4 starter motors fail on my 2009 Vogue 3.6 diesel.

The latest starter motor has failled after 3 months use. Land Rover are now refusing to replace this one free. They are saying that it must be a fault on the car, but the garage cant say exactly what this fault is.

They are suggesting replacing the live cable from the battery to the start motor at a cost of £310 + four hours labour, + a new starter motor £280 + 2 hours labour to fit.

And. They cant say for sure that this will even fix the problem. Has anyone else ever heard of this before. The garage, are saying they haven't and that Land Rover have never heard of it. But I am literally scratching my head now??

Thank you. Mark

Which parts are failing? Is it the bearings or windings or bendix ?? When it works well does it sound "normal"? What does it sound like when it starts failing or does it fail without warning? Are there any other issues with the car? MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
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Hi. I am not sure which part is burning out. I only know what the Garage have told me.

But the part that connects to the live from the battery.

When it works, well, it just works completely as normal. No fuss.

When it starts to fail, you hear the solonoid click in (?? Think thats right), then it just clicks (loud click) from under the bonnet. When you repeatedly try, it starts. But there is no pattern to it. It might start 2nd time or 50th.

East failure has been diagnosed as a starter motor, the replacement of which fixes the problem, but something on the car is killing the starter motors?
Talk about puzzled??? Thank you Mark

Sounds like the starter relais is the part failing. My first thought would be the ignition switch itself. Like it is not engaging the relais properly and causing it to fail. The live feed cable I would think is somewhat less likely the culprit but that could be it. Or the cable/wire between the ignition switch and the relais is causing issues. This is a new one to me never heard of this type of failure.

Are they sure the relais fails or could it be the ignition switch acting up and them just thinking is the relais? The ignition switches have gone on a few forum cars but not in this way. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

Thanks. That is what the garage is saying. At great cost to replace the cable and they are not sure it will fix it. . I love the car as well.

Better look for a different dealer or indy that understands fault finding a bit better. Maybe the forum members can help finding someone near you. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

That is an Indie LR specialist. !

Well someone who replaces the same part 5 times is not someone who is good at trying to find the real problem. Try to find a car electrics specialist who understands how to trace a fault by measurements and deduction. Sorry that I can't help any more from here. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

thank you.

I agree with Eugene, seems unlikely to the the cable.

I would take it to an auto electrical specialist and get them to investigate (testing all the relays in the ignition circuit), rather than keep replacing parts in hope of fixing the problem (which seems to be LR main dealer approach to problem solving - at least Indy's usually investigate and identify the problem before replacing parts) 2007 Zermatt Silver TDV8 Vogue SE - now sold but was a great car!

I have exactly the same symptoms on our 12MY, we are on the third starter now, they say it must be a faulty batch but I am not so sure myself, just glad it's under guarantee. 12MY Black FF VSE
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Thank goodness, someone with a similar problem.

Not sure I understand the logic behind the main cable from battery to starter?

The only real fault you will get in a cable like this is duff terminations giving it a high resistance - this would mean a reduced voltage at the starter, so it would turn more slowly, or just not start the car - can't see how it would lunch on the starter motor, but it should be easy to put a voltmeter on the starter motor terminal and see what the volt drop is while the starter is cranking, this would show whether this cable is dodgy or not, and should take all of 10 minutes.

It would be useful to know what is actually failing in your motors - are the windings burning out, or the solenoids failing?

Anyhow, it shouldn't be happening - I wonder if the starter they have spec'd is up to the job? 2006 (56 Reg) 4.4 V8 Vogue In Bonatti Grey (Gorgeous!!)

Could be the bendix drive on the starter is getting dirt or crud from the engine starter ring. I had the same problem on my boat I replaced starter motor and all was fine then it would start to fail until it wouldn't engage no matter how many times I operated the starter switch. Took the motor off cleaned the bendix up and all was ok until got all dirt in it again. I found the starter ring on the engine was rusted up and throwing rust and crud into the starter motor causing the bendix drive of the starter motor to seize up.
AndyM

+1 for a second opinion... Take the car to a reputable auto electrician who can do some old fashioned fault finding

The reason they want to replace the main power lead will be down to the pyrotechnic charge (big fuse) that might be at fault "would be my guess"