in replying to nick grounds pictures post in the 'my range rover' section , i nearly referred to his [l405] as a 'fullfat' but it isnt , is it?
the pre 2002 p38's arnt fullfats so the l405 cant be or are they to be included ..

thoughts ?..

The L405 has been thrust upon us!! The L322 is the fullfatrr.....
The P38 was never referred to as the fullfat but for some reason it appears to be assumed by some that the L405 is the new fullfat...
There should be another term for it. But, it certainly is full and it is quite fat... Previously..
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I'd wondered about that before Stan and thought:

1. This forum is clearly a concept that was created around the L322... but then you can't stop evolution!

2. The L405 must surely be a FF as it's the L322 replacement "proper one"?

3. If the L405 is not a FF, then why has this fullfatrr forum got a headline image of two "proper one's", specifically the L405 & the L322?

I was always under the impression that the term "full fat" referred to a "proper" RR as opposed to the RRS etc? On that basis the L405 is definitely a FFRR!

As an aside, whilst I understand JLR's marketing strategy (i.e., call more stuff Range Rover, get more people to buy themselves a "Range Rover", make more money…..) I have long thought that the RR term should have been preserved solely for the FFRR (in whatever flavour!).

The RRS should have been called the Discovery Sport.

The Evoque should have been called the Freelander Sport. Or the Land Rover Evoque.

They're not Range Rovers!! It cheapens the brand IMO.

In as much as there are now two (3 if you include the nasty e-poke) "Range Rovers", and that L322 and L320 were the "Full-Fat" (proper full on Rangie) and the "Semi-Skimmed" smaller, lighter Sport, .........

Do the new L405 and the new L??? 2014 model year Sport not count as being Full-Fat and Semi-Skimmed?

Some might argue that with Evoque we now have Fully-Skimmed as well. I still say it's not a real Range Rover though. Badges mean all. It still feels like a Freelander in a posh frock when I drive one.

i think the l405 has been included in this forum as it wouldnt have enough members to justify a separate forum, and because it is included here everyone assumes that it is indeed a fullfat..

i think the l322 has an iconic shape and profile which the l405 doesnt come close to ..

Not currently keen on the new RRS anyway... looks like a pumped up Evoque imo and yet I always double take wondering if it is actually an Evoque...

Very much like the L322. The L405 is nice though and based on the cost... full fat and creamy in that respect!

stan wrote:

i think the l322 has an iconic shape and profile which the l405 doesnt come close to ..

Stan, I thought exactly the same thing for a good while, right up until the point when my pal (DP at Stratstones) lent me a L405 for a weekend. It is nothing short of phenomenal and getting back into an L322 after that, whilst still a lovely car, it's obvious that L405 is the new "daddy".

That said, he recently lent me a new Sport 5 litre charger. me !!!! What a stonking motor. Having driven it over 300 miles and then having to part with it made me realise that I REALLY want to own one.

Looking purely at exterior profiles I would say that they make the Range Rover in 3 sizes, Small Medium and Large. But, having driven all 3 I accept that medium and large are now both proper Rangies. Still hate Evoque like a dose of the clap but the Sport is no longer a Disco in a dress, it's all grown up.

as tech and design moves on the l405 'should' be a better vehicle Dom but can it be called a fullfat..

Any Sport or Evoque is NOT a Full Fat, we all know this.

The L405 is the next generation, and as a forum of L322 drivers we are going to slowly accept the changes and grow to love it more and more. Having driven them for a few days, I would have one if I could justify it, and I would call it a Full Fat, as it is the real deal, the proper Range Rover in terms of the rest of the model range.

The Classic, the P38A, the L322 and now the L405 are all proper Range Rovers and we should all be proud of each model, despite their differences.

Think about this: If Land Rover didn't update the FFRR like they have with the L405, people would look at the L322 as an out of date, ageing old beast, but instead it is a piece of history in time that can be admired, without which the L405 wouldn't be where it is. Discovery 4 HSE
1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF
1982 Series 3 Hard Top

*Gone:L462 D5 HSE LUX, L663 Defender 110 HSE, Discovery 3 HSE, 2014MY Range Rover Sport 5.0 Supercharged AB Dynamic; L405 Exec Vogue SE 4.4, 5.0 Supercharged Autobiography, Defender TDCi XS CSW, Defender TD5 HT, Vogue SE TDV8, Vogue TD6, RRSport SC 4.2V8, Classic 3.9 Vogue Auto, Land Rover Series 3 SWB

^ agreed.
But... 2 guys talking, one says I have a fullfat. The other says "so do I"..
Go to the carpark, one has a L322 the other has the L405.... Who is correct?
The fullfatrr as we know it on this forum is the L322. I think there should be another term, similar possibly, but another term that means L405 straight away to we the forum members... Previously..
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In that instance I'd say "Oh right, you have the newer one, lovely!"

The L405 is an awesome car....

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic19408....test+drive

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic18309....test+drive Discovery 4 HSE
1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF
1982 Series 3 Hard Top

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'newer one' as in 2010 year if you have a 2003 ..i understand your thinking adam but it could be mis-understood..

i reckon the l405 should be called a FFRRNG, fullfat range rover next generation..

The L405 is awesome... That is not in dispute.
I think it's all about just having a specific term for the new fattie... Previously..
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I always felt that it is because the top end Range Rover was confused with the Range Rover Sport (and now the Evoke).

If you said you had a Range Rover, people began (after the Sport, more so after the Evoke) to ask, "Which one?". Well how to answer? The thing is just called a "Range Rover" and you've said that already. You cannot say "Vogue" because that is meaningless - it isn't a Vogue, its a Range Rover (mine has no Vogue on it anywhere anyway because it isn't a Vogue - and it really annoys me when people refer to the model as a Vogue ).

So to distinguish the model for the hard of thinking, we began to say, "Well, the full-fat one, of course".

This would not have applied to the P38 as, if one said one had a Range Rover it would only mean the P38 - there was no other thing it could mean.

Therefore I see "Full Fat" as the designation for the top of the range (rover) model. The L405 is now that model and so it absolutely is a Full Fat.