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nicedayforit



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England 2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6 Giverny Green
Brake pipe corrosion

Every now and again the question of brake pipe corrosion raises it's head regarding replacement of corroded pipes.
Having had a thorough look over the brake pipes on my car I can not find the slightest sign of corrosion on them.
To me the brake pipes appear to be copper alloy. My MOT tester agrees with me. They are original unless the entire car has been re-piped which I doubt.
My question is, does anybody know if the material used for brake pipes has changed over the years ie from steel to copper alloy and if so when?

Post #192300 6th Jun 2013 9:13am
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Trev18



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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Vogue SE Td6 Zambezi Silver

Hi - I've had my 55 plate FFRR for a month now and as a precaution I had it independently checked.... and one of the advisories was brake pipes showing signs of rust and corrosion and although showing this not a necessary change required. I will check back with the guy next time in the garage.

Trev

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Mr Tee



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As far as I can remember I used to sell copper brake pipe back in the late 80's ( from a motor factor), didn't sell steel, never heard of this use on modern cars. My brake pipes to the rear were replaced completely last year as they were at the point of failure. Scary thing is, only reason my mechanic had a look as he was replacing the saddle pump beside the fuel tank & had the access panel off. They can't check them for the MOT as they aren't visible there. He kept the old ones to show me and was an eye opener to say the least, best few hundred quid spent!

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nicedayforit



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England 2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6 Giverny Green

My mistake Embarassed They are indeed steel.
Just managed to find a magnet and try them. Remarkably well laquered steel pipe. Smile
Need to get the can of grease out now to coat them in the vulnerable areas.

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Monty1



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England 2005 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Rimini Red

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dirtyharry



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United Kingdom 2004 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Oslo Blue

Had an advisory last year and this year on the MOT. Must get round to sorting them, but they're down at number 4 or 5 on the list of things to do! Sad Cheers

Greg

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GraemeC



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Zermatt Silver

I also had an advisoy last Aug after MD service - quoted a crazy price to replace them!

Will be done by an Indy sometime in the next month along with service, MOT, new rear shocks, diff and transfer box oil changes and a few other bits and pieces - had her for a year and everything working great (except the damm TPMS), she's now a keeper and will have the appropriate preventitive maintenance money spent! 2007 Zermatt Silver TDV8 Vogue SE - now sold but was a great car!

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RRBlue



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England 2005 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Buckingham Blue

Mine are showing external corrosion and I m currently working out how much if the whole set to replace. Certainly the big long pipes from the back wheels.

Fronts look ok. Will change hoses at the same time.

The pipes themselves look like coated steel and the rust bubbles are large, so need to get my skates on.

No mention at MOT time back in Jan. 2014 5.0 Supercharged Autobiography & 2015 3.0SDV6 HSE Lux Discovery 4
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TtheArab



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2003 Range Rover HSE 4.4 V8 Giverny Green

Tee. Where did you get yours done ? I am just down the road in Dunblane. I am waiting for Brembo's and rear calipers back from Porsche calipers then intend to get steel braided hoses into them but sounds as if you had more substantial replacement done ?

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northernmonkeyjones



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Steel seems to be the material of choice for oem brakes lines, ive had to have a few sections replaced on various vans etc, not on the ff though yet.

Copper would be better and when the swapped a section on my old transit the put in a copper section, im certain it will outlast the rest of the vehicle. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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taskam



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Scotland 2007 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Java Black

I had two brake pipe failures during the last MOT couple of months ago ...one while the mechanic was driving the car to be tested Shocked , the other when it was on the brake performance machine Shocked Shocked

Spooky coincidence, or revenue generator?

 2007 TDV8 Vogue SE Java Black

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Mr Tee



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TtheArab yhm

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TtheArab



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Ta Smile

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barracuda816



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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Vogue SE Td6 Tonga Green

Just a quick note for those looking to change their pipes, make sure they are cupronickel not copper.

Copper pipes suffer badly from stress fatigue, so whilst they wont rust, they will become brittle and fracture. There are people about that say if they are properly secured and the flexy hoses are good they shouldnt flex. But i dont think its worth the hassle and gamble. Especially on these beasts.

Regards, Luke

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mrd1990



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United Kingdom 2002 Range Rover HSE Td6 Oslo Blue

If your brake pipes start to look bad, get them done now as it could save you money in labour costs.

Last week I failed an MOT on corroded brake pipes, had a new set manufactured by the garage and they had difficulty removing the old corroded pipes because of "how badly they had corroded".

Post #192444 6th Jun 2013 9:52pm
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