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Saint.v8

Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
Posts: 94

2003 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Adriatic Blue

OK What Now....??

Had the day off today, had to get the Girlfriends Fiat 500 MOT'd, so I gave her a lift to work, she works in the Surrey Hills near Westcott/Gomshall....very nice area and very hilly.

Dropped her off and I needed to get some Surgical tubing to fix the fall away rest on my compound bow so I went to where I remebered a Angling shop was...not there anymore so as I pull out of the car park, the bells and whistles start along with HDC Inactive, Air Susp. Inactive, DSC Inactive and (crap yer pants time) Trans. Failsafe Prog.

Oh feck me thinks, but she is still changing gear smoothly and no jerking at all....and unlike the other messages which cycle between eachother...the Trans message only appears once....hmm maybe it was a glitch.

Anyways, I pull into the Local Tesco, park up and out with the All Comms.....

These are the screenshots.....

ABS Module:

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EAS Module:

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Engine Module:

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Gearbox Module:

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Instrument Pack Module:

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Transfer Box Module:

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Cleared them all down, and make my way to another Tackle shop....no reccurance....happy days.

Pick up what I need from the tackle shop, and decide it is about time I washed the poor thing, so off to the local Hand Car Wash place, cross their palms with silver and she sparkles....still no fault messages.

Head home, and park up....30 minutes later time to get the Fiat 500 out of the garage, so I pull forward and leaving the engine running I get the 500 out, and put the Rangie back in front of the garage again...still no issues....

Get the 500 washed and in for the MOT.....all fine.....

Get home, move the Rangie out of the way again and put the 500 back in the garage...still no issues.

Time to go get the girlfriend again.....

45 minute trip down to Westcott again, and park in her work car park...engine off, radio on.

She jumps in, start engine, pull 3 yards forward....feck me....bells and whistles again.....drive home....

Park up and out with the All Comms....same faults logged as above....

Cleared them all down, one pops back up....the Instrument Pack code for the EBV Function fault.....cleared it again....this time its gone....start engine....no warnings, but the fault code reappears.....I then clear it, and it doesn't reccur again....even after a few on/off's of the engine and ignition etc....hmmmmmm

Knowing the issues with battery voltage I checked the battery....12.53V at rest, engine off, no loads......engine running at 2k rpm, batter yvoltage is at 14.42V so I am assuming the battery level is fine.....

I think my first port of call is to find the ABS ECU and check all the connections thereto.....

I am beginning to think these things throw faults just so you'll pay them some attention.....

Anyone any other clues as to what I can check??

29th Jan 2013 9:50pm

Dolphinboy

Member Since: 07 Dec 2009
Location: Bristol
Posts: 3136

2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand

Saint,

check the inside of the ABS ECU. I had the same prob and it was corrosion in the connection of the ABS unit.

It is very badly designed so that it HOLDS water in the bottom of the connector! this upsets the connection. also check for any corrosion on the connectors inside. I had a teensie weensie bit of green copper crust on one of mine which gave all the symptoms you describe.

As the ABS unit is first in line so to speak if it malfunctions, it sets off all the other ECUs because it cant read the signal.

This is why I don't jet wash mine or do anything inside the engine bay with water!

29th Jan 2013 11:17pm

Saint.v8

Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
Posts: 94

Many thanks DB....

From what I have read, the ABS ECU is a common culprit...I will take a gander tomox lunchtime and see what I can find!

Many thanks!

29th Jan 2013 11:20pm

Joe90

Member Since: 29 Apr 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6408

I wouldn't worry too much about the EBV fault. I have that on mine all the time, also checks out on the IID Tool and the GAP guys say not to worry about it too. I agree with DolphinBoy, problem appears to lie with the ABS. This will set off all the other faults

Could try clearing it with a wheel to wheel ?

Also check battery connections in case one is loose/not connecting properly and causing a break in power which gives the same symptoms. .
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29th Jan 2013 11:21pm

Saint.v8

Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
Posts: 94

Lock to Lock did not reset the warnings...as you say the ABS ECU is looking like the first port of call...I will grab some contact cleaner from stores at work and a tooth brush and take a look see.

29th Jan 2013 11:25pm

IWC1

Member Since: 11 Jan 2013
Location: suffolk
Posts: 18

2003 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Bonatti Grey

Hello Saint,

Just a thought, but also check that your battery IS managing to hold a good charge, I experienced many of the same faults with my FFRR, and it turned out that after a faulty Alternator replacement, the battery was also tired and although charging was taking place, i.e. a good 14.4-5V was reading whilst the motor was running, over a few days, of sitting parked the battery was dying and the low voltages were activating random faults with no recognisable consistency, so have this checked too. Pretty heart -stopping moment to see the faults 'bong' up!

All the best

Andy

30th Jan 2013 11:10am

ebajema

Member Since: 24 Mar 2011
Location: New Plymouth
Posts: 4782

2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Galway Green

You could also have a battery cell failing (internal short circuit) dropping the voltage momentarily generating the "random" faults. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

30th Jan 2013 11:53am

kingpleb

Member Since: 07 Jun 2011
Location: Maybe here. Maybe there, I get everywhere!
Posts: 8455

As above with the driving cycle you have mentioned the battery wouldn't have been topped up enough and could have a faulty cell.

Mine currently refuses to start the car if i run the Park Heat for more than 20minutes without it being plugged into the battery chrager but all other times its been fine, even when left for a week on its own

I'll stick money on the battery and as they are £100 to replace well worth it for a big S5 110ah ECP beast FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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30th Jan 2013 12:15pm

cliffy

Member Since: 17 Apr 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 556

2004 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Zambezi Silver

I hate the Transfail safe mode message

Ur problems sounds voltage related

30th Jan 2013 12:34pm

Saint.v8

Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
Posts: 94

Thanks for all your replies.

Battery is strong, and she can stand for a couple of weeks and she will still spin over quickly and fire within a second of flicking the key.

That days journeys are not typical of my usual day...I had a day off and was pottering around.

Usual journey is an hour to work and an hour back at motorway speeds and A roads.

The batery is recent (6 months) and has never failed, even with the minus temperatures we have had recently...the Rangie still bursts into life within a second of the key turning.

No issues today on the hour journey in, nor at around 10.30 when I went out to check it....

30th Jan 2013 12:41pm

Havank

Member Since: 05 Apr 2007
Location: Woking - Surrey
Posts: 193

I think its moisture related. the car cannot stand moisture

30th Jan 2013 1:14pm

Saint.v8

Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
Posts: 94

So....lunch time came and went, I made the trip to the car park - 10 minute walk from the office!

Here is the ABS ECU mounted on the side of the modulator...

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To remove the wiring plug, get a flat blade screw driver and carefully lever the locking slide, the plug will move upwards by approx 3-4mm during this process....

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Underside of plug...

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ECU Connection Pins....

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As can be seen, annoyingly they all look very clean....so a quick squirt of contact cleaner in anycase, and reassembled....

Will see what happens over the next few days.

If it happens again, I am wondering if it could be temperature related...as it gets warm where it is next to the LPG Vapouriser which is plumbed into the Engine Coolant at 105degC and just above the L/H bank.....hmmmmm.

30th Jan 2013 2:49pm

cliffy

Member Since: 17 Apr 2010
Location: Surrey
Posts: 556

dude hate to p*ss on ur theory my setup is in the same location as urs and i havent had them issues

30th Jan 2013 2:52pm

Saint.v8

Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
Posts: 94

Clutching at straws then...!!

Will see what transpires over the next few days....it could have just been having a hissy fit as these cars love to do!!

30th Jan 2013 3:03pm

kingpleb

Member Since: 07 Jun 2011
Location: Maybe here. Maybe there, I get everywhere!
Posts: 8455

Is it the outflow or inflow from the vaporiser that runs underneath it?

TBH the heat shouldn't affect it like that but you could always stick some insulation between them FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
Mantec Sump Guard, Rigid Load liner, MY10 BT upgrade.

30th Jan 2013 3:11pm

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