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Alistair



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Freezing Diesel

I'm off to the Alps on Friday & have read several reports that people have had problems with diesel freezing - even the locall bought stuff Shocked as the temperatures are that low

I'll follow my usual plan of filling up close to the Alps and trying to park inside. I also bought a bottle of additive today and will chuck that in too just in case I can't get an indoor space.

Has anyone had any problems ?

I might get a spare fuel filter too just in case.....

Any other advice ?

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I have parked up over there with -20's no issues at all with local fuel but extra additive will not hurt just in case.

If outside park with front end facing away from the mountains if possible far less windchill then on the engine bay Far to many gone...

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I wouldn't bother with the additive, just chuck about 15ml of acetone before filling at least half a tank up. This helps thin it out a bit.

As above park with the front facing towards the closest heat source. If you park on some soft snow lower the car as it will help reduce any wind blowing under it be reduced and thus reduce the windchill factor Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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I believe you can put 5 - 10% of unleaded in your tank to stop the diesel freezing... Previously..
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Cars don't suffer windchill, humans do. Smile

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Alistair



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I read about adding petrol / parafin / acetone - just didn't fancy any of those as it seems to work on older cars, but not sure about the TDV8.

I won't be leaving until the afternoon, so if I end up outside, i need to find the most wind sheltered place & in the sun then Very Happy

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hello Alistair

yes here close to Munich a lot of people have problems with frozen diesel these days.
this morning I saw 3 light trucks from a bakery chain stuck just a few 100m away from he company.
there´s also a discussion in several forums about this problem
seems that the fuel companies did not sell the right mix for temperatures below -20°

but the forecast for the end of the week looks much more better -> ~ -10°

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Cars do suffer windchill, just ask noddy about his frozen door problem Wink

A tiny bit of acetone, especially when mixed during filling will be fine Smile

Before you want to use it don't forget to use fbh as that will heat the engine bay a little and will help with the issue of freezing just after starting.

Also consider using a load of snow IN the grilles to block them on the front, this will reduce airflow thru he engine bay and over the filter housing and help the engine warm up quicker. Don't worry it melts and comes off after about 10minutes and the engine won't overheat in such temps Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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The previous poster was correct. Only humans feel "windchill". It is a theoretical measurement whereby the temperature actually feels colder due to wind effects on human skin in a cold climate etc.

Easy way to explain. On a cold day put your arm outside your car window when travelling at speed. It feels colder than when stationery, but the outside temperature is actually the same. Very Happy No longer FF owner but still interested. Present car Jaguar XE
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kingpleb wrote:
Before you want to use it don't forget to use fbh....


Confused Doesn't the FBH, by definition, need fuel which is either frozen or not ?

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Ok not correct technical term but wind still cools compared to no wind Smile

A way to test is put a thermometer outside in a sheltered area and one in a unsheltered but both out of direct sunlight. Which one will be coldest Wink FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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The diagram I've seen it doesn't use te main engine filter and can run on much thicker fuel. Diesel doesn't need I freeze to stop an engine an usually it won't, it just gets too thick Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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http://www.autos.ca/winter-driving/feature...t-your-car

As above it slows down the heatup of the engine if it's anyway exposed and with all the metal in an ffrr that will sapp heat as quickly as it can.

By lowering the car down I am meaning if there is enough snowfall to provide a kind of seal aroun the bottom of he car it will help retain heat a bit longer and make the life of the fbh a bit easier as the coolant pipes it heats aren't being chilled and the exhaust from the fbh will help warm the engine bay as it builds under the car Smile FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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What you need is a very large duvet. Smile Thumbs Up

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