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Joe90

Member Since: 29 Apr 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6408

TD6 '02 FFRR Rear Subframe Bushes Replacement

Been getting an MOT advisory on these for two years now, had the new bushes for at least a year, but not had the right kit or the inclination to complete this job. Pleased to say now well on the way. If you read my rear suspension howto you will have seen I had hoped to swap out the subframe bushes then, but my made up kit was not man enough for the job. Purchased a 12cm square of 1/2" iron with a 20mm hole in the middle. I was now able to use this and my bush press kit to have another go.

Lots of prelims:

Car up on ramps (acme wood)
Remove exhaust
Depressurise suspension and make inactive (IIDTool)
Jack up each side of the rear under the lower arm and settle on axle stand under mounting point
Support suspension under lower arm
Provide additional safety support under towbar
Remove rear wheels
Undo allen keys holding brake pipes in place
Unclip ABS/pad wear sensors

OK: LHR first

Support subframe with jack (I used a trolley jack and a piece of 4x4 under the lower arm bush mountings)
Take the weight
Undo the bolts holding in the subframe through the two bushes, front and rear
Leave bolts in @ 1cm just in case while initially lowering, then remove to get additional clearance
I needed @ 4" of clearance above the bushe to get my press kit in place.
Starting with the rear, my largest bush press, then my short piece of steel tubing (perfect fit on the mounting), then steel plate, then another bush press to provide a good mount for the nut and bearing

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Then start turning, needed 26mm spanners, didn't have any so used two adjustables and trampoline legs for additional leverage. After about 10 minutes (could only manage a 1/4 turn at a time) seemed I was making progress, so dismantled kit to take a look. Yep, bush on its way out ! Reassembled, but this time with long steel tubing to accomodate the bush. Turning got easier as I pushed the bush out

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Finally, it all dropped to the floor, and bush housing revealed

Tomorrow, putting the new one back in

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Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember

Volvo V70 P2 2006 2.4 Petrol 170bhp Estate SE
MG Midget Mk1 1962

Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

Last edited by Joe90 on 2nd Oct 2013 6:00pm. Edited 1 time in total

1st Oct 2013 6:22pm

Joe90

Member Since: 29 Apr 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6408

Putting back in should be easier until the last third when things tighten up a bit, and with rubber coated bushes the resistance is not so restrictive.

A quick sand down of the inner mounting and a clean up around the edges, then a liberal coating of grease on the inner sides of the mountings along with a good greasing of the new bush.

Now it is nice sometimes when the car offers something up that will help with reassembly. in this case the two bump plates that rest on top of each of the bushes. These are a perfect fit and thickness for the rear bushes which have protrubing lobes, and given my largest press housing is not quite big enough, also provide a perfect platform for pressing on.

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Then compile the press, from the top: Nut, 1/2" steel plate, short steel tube (screw in threaded bar from below at this point), "mounting", new bush, bump plates, suitable sized press housing, nut. Line it all up then start winding it down.

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Keep winding until it goes nice and tight against the housing then release and job done. The forward bush went much the same way. Ensure you line up the bushes so that they are in line with the marks on the bush.

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Finally, new bushes in place on one side

Now for the OSR - RR.

A couple of things to watch out for when lowering the subframe away from the body on this side:

1. If you have an FBH, you need to release the Fuel pump from its mounting.
2. The air lines for the suspension run back to base from here, so ensure there is enough play to alllow you to drop the subframe .
Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember

Volvo V70 P2 2006 2.4 Petrol 170bhp Estate SE
MG Midget Mk1 1962

Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

2nd Oct 2013 12:53pm

Joe90

Member Since: 29 Apr 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6408

Finishing Off

More on the OSR-RR

Found I didn't need to release the FBH pump from its mounting (not that I could!), there is enough play in the pipework and wiring to allow dropping the subframe. This was one of my other jobs as getting fault codes about it and FBH not working. However, didn't have the right clips and fixings to refit the piping, so have left this for another day. If you don't know where it is, it is tucked away on top of the subframe above the upper arm mountings. can really only be seen from the wheelarch view if you drop the subframe, and if looking from underneath is obscured by the driveshaft CV joint.

Did need to release the yellow airline from its white clip up on the body, above the airspring, just allowed enough slack when lowering. Do the lowering of the subframe bit by bit, then check all the cables and pipework for slack.

Extracting the OSR-RR subframe bushes was uneventful, if not boring. Reckon I now have RSI, in that doing all four bushes meant @ 2500 spanner turns under load with an extension! Would have been easier with a ratchet ring spanner, and a press that actually fitted the bush on the way out.

Here are the offending bushes (in fact it was only the LR rearward that was the problem, but RAVE advises changing in pairs (sides), but then may as well sort both sides out while you are at it!) - note most of the damage done by me extracting the bushes!

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and here are the main tools used to do the job

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In summary, this was a bit of a labour of love. Given the MOT advisories and that I had set myself the task of doing it, had a press kit, and sorted out the steel tubing and 1/2" plate with a hole, the challenge was on, having beaten the car by doing all the other rear bushes. Unless you have a couple of days to spare, and your MOT guy doesn't like your subframe bushes, and you have all the tools needed, I suggest you leave them alone, and if they do need doing, get someone else to do it for you, sorting a few other rear end things in the process.

It has started raining, so will wait til it stops before refitting the exhaust, re-energising the suspension and doing a final tighten up.

Now, Duckworths Dan sent me two bushes for the rear differential.............. .
Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember

2nd Oct 2013 12:55pm

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wiki'fied Tim.. ... - .- -.

Y. O. L. O.
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2nd Oct 2013 1:15pm

Joe90

Member Since: 29 Apr 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6408

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Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember
Volvo V70 P2 2006 2.4 Petrol 170bhp Estate SE
MG Midget Mk1 1962

Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

2nd Oct 2013 5:58pm

greasemonkey1

Member Since: 22 Sep 2013
Location: london
Posts: 157

now that's what i call dedication,saved yourself heaps of money and gained heaps of knowledge in the process...fair play to you joe90..

5th Oct 2013 7:29am

p38arover

Member Since: 16 Dec 2015
Location: Western Sydney
Posts: 1526

stan wrote:
wiki'fied Tim..

Is this TD6 specific or applicable to all L322? Ron B. VK2OTC
2003 L322 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA

12th Aug 2016 12:53pm

Joe90

Member Since: 29 Apr 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 6408

Pretty certain it covers all L322s of that era at least. You could check with Dan at Duckworths who could confirm if bushes are different for anything other than an '02 onwards. .
Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember
Volvo V70 P2 2006 2.4 Petrol 170bhp Estate SE
MG Midget Mk1 1962

Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

12th Aug 2016 3:41pm

p38arover

Member Since: 16 Dec 2015
Location: Western Sydney
Posts: 1526

I wasn't sure, Joe, because it's in the TD6 wiki - an area I don't tend to read because I don't have a TD6. Ron B. VK2OTC
2003 L322 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA

13th Aug 2016 4:40am

Weejock

Member Since: 30 Dec 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 417

2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Epsom Green

The rear subframes are common across the L322's (at least up to facelift) and the BMW E53 X5 of the same era. You might find BMW bushes are possibly cheaper or more readily available. I picked up some new LR bushes cheap but used a BMW tool to swap them.

13th Aug 2016 7:07am

holidaychicken

Member Since: 06 Nov 2013
Location: Kent
Posts: 1086

2004 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Java Black

Top Job, i feel another project coming on !!

25th Oct 2017 6:30pm

Bolert

Member Since: 29 Jun 2021
Location: Hythe, Kent
Posts: 30

2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Santorini Black

Hi All,

Just had these come up on my 2012 TDV8 as an advisory!

Been researching online and reading above, looks like a fun job! Tempted to leave alone for now.
Does anyone know of anywhere that would be prepared to change them so I can get a quote? Ideally in South East, but will travel.
Thanks in advance. 2012 4.4 TDV8 AB Sumatara Black with Ivory / Jet interior

6th Dec 2022 3:53pm

Red Hot one

Member Since: 09 Dec 2018
Location: Herefordshire
Posts: 171

2009 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Just done the rear subframe bushes on the old beast, been mentioned on my MOT for a couple of years.
Used LR parts, KHC000050(front), KHC000060(rear), LR012582(lubricant) and bought the X5 removal tool , I don't have diagnostics that will deflate the air suspension but releasing the airlines behind the rear wheel arch does do the trick. In all not too bad a job, I took my time and made sure I released the ABS cables and unclipped the air pipes to give some more leeway on the pipes. The bushes came out without too much of a struggle. I did release them a couple of times to let the rubber settle and find its way, new ones went in easy enough with copious amounts of the lubricant. after tightening everything up the air suspension did its bit and worked, in all happy days.
Thanks to all the information here on the forum there were no surprises and all went to plan, thanks to all who contributed to the various threads available.
Will

12th Dec 2022 4:25pm

TDV8_Tommy

Member Since: 20 Feb 2019
Location: Pinoso, Valencia
Posts: 397

2012 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Baltic Blue

Did mine this weekend, not super hard. 3 out of 5 spanner’s!

Getting the two rivets drilled out of each bush was the trickiest part. I invested in a an adapter piece, rather than a fancy new drill:

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Did the job in a couple of minutes.

Upon test driving, the rear end shimmy/reverb has gone. I can now hit an imperfection in the road and experience just one bump rather than an echo of small shimmies.

The BMW E53 X5 bush removal tool was invaluable.

Thank you to the forum…not possible with out you all

2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster - Baltic Blue, Jet interior
1997 P38 2.5 DSE auto & 1998 P38 2.5 DT Manual
1988 Vogue 3.5 EFI - Manual, gone.
2004 Volvo C70 2.0T convertible, had since new.
2007 Mazda MX-5 2.0 Sport Roadster/Coupé, had since new.
2024 Mini Cooper S cabrio, JCW kit, 2.0, DCT auto

18th Jun 2023 5:42pm

Cymraeg

Member Since: 23 Feb 2023
Location: Cambs
Posts: 2

2007 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Zambezi Silver

Cheers for the posts guys. Attempting this week after next on my tdv8. Couldn't get bushes from LR so ordered some from craddock and have an x5 tool on the way. Anything else I should be wary of?

28th Aug 2023 2:38pm

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