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Would you invest in a PHEV, more expensive then an ICE, if it costs you extra in consumption as well ?
yes
40%
 40%  [2]
no
60%
 60%  [3]
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Dan_Veluwe



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Try Word in Dutch.. .. with US autocorrect.. Rolling Eyes I-pace First Edition Santorini & 2nd car Mazda MX-30 Advantage red/black
PHEV P400e Hybrid Autobiography Loire blue= SOLD
D5 SD4 HSE Lux Corris grey = SOLD
D3 TdV6 HSE Lux Vienna Green =SOLD
P300 F-Type 2018 Ultra Blue = SOLD
25t F-Pace 2020 Loire Blue = SOLD

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Dan_Veluwe



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We have a verdict... 17.1kWh charging to 100% Shocked

EV distance was 25.7 km.

So 17.1 x 0.16 = € 2,74 (€ 0,158 / km).

Last time, fuel consumption full ICE was 8.8 L/100km, ( € 0.167 / km).

If the same distance had been covered with ICE --> 25,7 x 0,167 = € 4,30.

So this time I saved € 1,56 or (total trip 37,3km) , € 0,042 per kilometer.[b]

This falls in line with expectations. The shorter the distance, the more EV relatively,

the lower the cost per km. As long as the losses in electricity don't go through the roof !

Remember, charging at 15C ambient only needed 15 kWh. So keeping the battery warm

while charging cost 2 kWh !

All in all, the savings are pennies. At least in winter. And the car doesn't allow full EV

whenever it has EV range left. To me it is a deception, for the PHEV aspect that is.. Crying or Very sad I-pace First Edition Santorini & 2nd car Mazda MX-30 Advantage red/black
PHEV P400e Hybrid Autobiography Loire blue= SOLD
D5 SD4 HSE Lux Corris grey = SOLD
D3 TdV6 HSE Lux Vienna Green =SOLD
P300 F-Type 2018 Ultra Blue = SOLD
25t F-Pace 2020 Loire Blue = SOLD

Post #615641 10th Dec 2021 10:36am
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ilard



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Sorry for the late reply, but I want to weigh in.

Comparisons on a cost basis are bordering on pointless. It should be almost entirely based on the experience. Why drop so much cash on our AB purchase and then nickel and dime the mpg etc? Seems Voguish to me. (Which is not to be derogatory to Vogue owners, simply to emphasise that Vogue owners are, by definition, cost conscious and AB owners are financially wasteful). L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

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Dan_Veluwe



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Simple. I bought the car used. Still cost me € 100k .

I didn't set out for an AB or Vogue or whatever, just a petrol hybrid.

And exactly that bit, it doesn't do as to be expected.

In the mean time my electricity contract went up in smoke as the supplier went toes up.

New rate as of the 28th of this month, not € 0,16 per kWh, but € 0,53 cnts (since we are already above 10.000kWh).

No point in charging it ever again, until its back below € 0,20 per kWh.

So I pay about 700% of what you pay in the UK, mostly 'green taxes' .

Now we had solar panels installed last september, that should bring us down to about 4000kWh.

I am lucky to have a second building with a seperate contract. There I pay € 0,26 the next 5 years.

So I probably use existent power cables to feed back from the solar panels to this house.

and safe about € 800- per year the next 5 years, only on the price difference.

That is more then the panels cost me !


 I-pace First Edition Santorini & 2nd car Mazda MX-30 Advantage red/black
PHEV P400e Hybrid Autobiography Loire blue= SOLD
D5 SD4 HSE Lux Corris grey = SOLD
D3 TdV6 HSE Lux Vienna Green =SOLD
P300 F-Type 2018 Ultra Blue = SOLD
25t F-Pace 2020 Loire Blue = SOLD

Post #617417 23rd Dec 2021 11:30pm
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ilard



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Oh, I see. Yikes! Totally agree, aside from maintenance or performance, no point in charging whatsoever.

I’m on happy fixed energy for another year, and then all bets are off… L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

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33CHINACARS



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I have 2 problems with EV cars

1. Range anxiety . Especially in a big county like Australia. With charging stations few and far between.
Fine for the wife's commute to work & back , some 40 miles each day
But I wouldn't be comfortable going to Melbourne on a day trip . 500 +++ miles . Would probably have to stay overnight to recharge so as we could get home

2. And this is a biggie for me. What happens to the EV car at it's end of life. From my understanding currently there is on way to recycle the battery packs. I could be totally wrong . I hope I am Or they very soon find a way to recycle these batteries.
Also from a few car companies they are only warrantying the batteries for 8 years AND that's not at full capacity

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Dan_Veluwe



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1. This is a hybrid, max 25 miles EV, 400 miles ICE..

2. LiIon, same as your cellphone. Warranty 8yrs or 100.000 miles, minimal 70% capacity.
Car can also do without.

LiOn can be 100% recycled. I-pace First Edition Santorini & 2nd car Mazda MX-30 Advantage red/black
PHEV P400e Hybrid Autobiography Loire blue= SOLD
D5 SD4 HSE Lux Corris grey = SOLD
D3 TdV6 HSE Lux Vienna Green =SOLD
P300 F-Type 2018 Ultra Blue = SOLD
25t F-Pace 2020 Loire Blue = SOLD

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